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Rock star-scientist Brian Cox confused on more than global temperatures : Comments
By Jennifer Marohasy, published 18/8/2016Richard Horton, the current editor of the medical journal, The Lancet, recently stated that, 'The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half, may simply be untrue.'
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Posted by Max Green, Friday, 9 September 2016 1:38:51 PM
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mhaze
"In one of your posts you brought up Lake Mead.' Nup, never happened." You do not read your own references!! http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37187100 A sentence from your referral: "The researchers said Lake Mead near Las Vegas, which is the largest reservoir in the United States, was also losing water, and 222 sq km (85 sq miles) of it was now land." You might find this reference in relation to ocean warming interesting: https://portals.iucn.org/library/sites/library/files/documents/2016-046_0.pdf The first sentence from the Executive Summary states: "The scale of ocean warming is truly staggering with the numbers so large that it is difficult for most people to comprehend." Posted by ant, Friday, 9 September 2016 2:14:36 PM
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I don't mind the term 'model' when it's applied to models and when the user knows that models aren't data.
Clearly there isn't anything in AR5_WG1 which goes close to justifying your assertion that "the report itself shows the regional modelling to be SUPERIOR to and the PREFERRED METHODOLOGY to the inferior global model". If there was you'd have mentioned it by now to assuage your embarrassment. Obviously you are using the Dennis Denuto defence. And obviously you've learned something from Mr 0' ie point at some document and assert it supports your claims without ever trying to show how it does so Posted by mhaze, Friday, 9 September 2016 3:37:51 PM
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mhaze, tell us what data there is for climate?
Do you even understand what the word means? Posted by Max Green, Friday, 9 September 2016 3:45:27 PM
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For Leo Lane aka Swami Iddi Ott Ji, and @mhaze the Fur King More Ron asks:
"work for the IPCC during their annual vacations or are they being paid" Yes, some have taken annual vacation-weekend-late night time to do the work. Depending on their employer they may get paid or not paid. This operates similar to people who Volunteer for the RFS etc with RFS SES here. Do you have a problem with their employers too Mr R. Sole? Marohasy has only survived on "charity" for years, and now has a part-time job @IPA funded by more Tax-Deductible Charity! Non-scientist Tol says what Scientists Lead Reviewers have also said. There's been a "process" of political interference and it goes the other way than you believe you FKMR! What Max tells you is 100% true Mr. R. Sole - stop being a fraud by pretending to know anything about climate science or IPCC. @FKMR then asks: "give me a veto on everything you write" No F.U. shove it where the sun don't shine. I did not "copy" what I said from anywhere except my memory you small minded little creep. (This is how real adhom is done, best used on cowardly lowlife's not worthy of respect) @FKMR asks: "Did you read the WSJ article? Silly question." No, it's a FKingDUMB question by a rank Iddi Ott. Only a FKMR would be guided by newspapers about Climate Science, or be stupid enough to quote it an argument with people who KNOW it 10,000 times better than you ever will! You & Leo cannot think for yourself so you need the WSJ, WUWT, IPA to tell you what to think, what to say to defend your insane false beliefs. Y'all pathetic individuals and a disgrace to the human race. @FKMR says: "I won't hold my breathe waiting for enlightenment" Neither shall I. You're too dumb, but hold your breath anyway! Your intelligence/moral/ethical levels are equivalent to a Jihadi terrorist crying out Allahu Akbah before blowing themselves up! - Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Friday, 9 September 2016 3:54:45 PM
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Dear Lois Lane/Smoke Haze, no worries I won't be sticking around this pathetic forum of trolls and fools.
To be clear, I do see you as pathetic as any jihadist suicide bomber. It's exactly the kind of FKMR that you are: stupid ignorant uninformed gullible fools following an insane ideology unable to think for yourself. Your approach to 'science' is like a patient getting a Doctor's Script saying: "No thanks, I can get that off the back of a Coco-Pops box." Dumb as dirt while imagining you're smarter than the collective wisdom of 30,000 scientists. You won't make any difference at all to ongoing climate science and it's implications. You're ideological beliefs are however far more dangerous to life than all terrorists combined! At least they have the guts and offer the unexpected benefit of taking themselves out in the process. FKMR AGW Deniers never go away nor STFU spreading their poisonous anti-life rhetoric like a Deadly Virus. No one listens to you, they just put up with you and the Marohasy's. This world will be a better place as people like you take your last breath: Planetary IQ will jump 30+ points imo. I have nothing but contempt for your ways. "The proposed solution for the Dunning-Krugar Effect is that the incompetent should be directly told they are incompetent." http://www.spring.org.uk/2012/06/the-dunning-kruger-effect-why-the-incompetent-dont-know-theyre-incompetent.php You are incompetent Haze and Lois. Nothing can help you, no one will save you, because you're beyond all help. - If I was the Benevolent Dictator of Australia, I would would have you and your kind interred on Manus Island in Education Detention Camp for one year. And if you did not learn how to think properly in a year then you'd be sent to a Secure Asylum for the Criminally Insane for life. Then I would apply the IPA's Personal Responsibility Ideology, by stripping you of all your assets in order to pay for your permanent internment behind bars. Thankfully you and your corrupt sick ideology days are numbered. You've already lost. I hope you believe in God's forgiveness because it's the only kind you'll ever get. Posted by Thomas O'Reilly, Friday, 9 September 2016 7:00:54 PM
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"Evaluation of Detection and Attribution Methodologies"
"How Attribution Studies Work"
"Methods Based on General Circulation Models and Optimal Fingerprinting"
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter10_FINAL.pdf
It's all in Chapter 10, if you bothered to read it, about how they separate out signal from noise, model what's really going on in longer term trends from climate versus raw data, etc. If the terms confuse you try a dictionary. "Climate" versus "weather". Weather gives us data, climate is an abstraction, a concept, a pattern over decades not just a single event.
Once their methods of data interpretation (or model) has changed to include regional material, it not only notices the overall trends more clearly, it leads to better projections. EG: Page 920:
"Implications for Climate System Properties and Projections"
Page 871: those models of data sets etc... again!
" It is very likely that anthropogenic forcing has contributed to the observed changes in the frequency and intensity of daily temperature extremes on the global scale since the mid-20th century. Attribution of changes in temperature extremes to anthropogenic influence is robustly seen in independent analyses using different methods and different data sets. It is likely that human influence has substantially increased the probability of occurrence of heatwaves in some locations. {10.6.1, 10.6.2, Table 10.1}"
There's raw data, and understanding what the data means. Go figure.