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China and Australia: the whale and the tadpole : Comments

By Peter West, published 11/8/2016

Chinese social media begged 'Sun, don't cry', went mad over Horton's comments and bombarded his social media accounts with demands for an apology.

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SBS News says sale of Ausgrid to the Chinese will NOT go ahead.

Watch and se what else Baird and co try to sell off.
Not their own homes, evidently.
Posted by Waverley, Friday, 19 August 2016 6:57:17 PM
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If PM Turnbull said, "Peace in the South China Sea is important for Australia," as perhaps it is, his peace would be quite different from what Xi Jinping has in mind as peace in the South China Sea. Turnbull's peace in the SCS and Xi Jinping's peace in the SCS would be two different things. As the two peaces would be different, so Japan's Great East Asia's Co-Prosperity Sphere (GEACS)and Germany's Living Space (Lebensraum) were two different things. When I said even Hitler spoke of peace in Europe, I had Xi in mind, not Turnbull.

Y. Matsuoka became foreign minister and spoke of GEACS to the Japanese press in July 1940. He did not mean that Japan should kick the European contries out of East Asia and that it should take all of mainland China. The war with China, starting in 1937, had become a big war, and the people had begun to wonder why, so he had to say a thing like that to convince them that Japan was on a great historical mission for great peace not only in China but for Great East Asia. (When the Japanese spoke of Asia or Great Asia, they usually had China in mind; they were oblivious to other parts of East Asia.) PM Konoe found him standing as a big obstacle in the way of the US-Japanese negotioations, so he kicked him out of his second cabinet in July 1941 and formed his third cabinet. Tojo was angry wiht Matsuoka for his too hawkish stance in the US-Japanese talks.
Matsuoka was ailing in December, 1941, and cried bitterly at the news of the Pearl Harbour, saying that he was very sorry to Hirohito for what he had done (in his diplomacy). The Japanese were terribly shocked at the news but felt relieved, thinking "This will solve our problem with China that we have been fighting an exhausting, long, and big war about. To be continued.
Posted by Michi, Friday, 19 August 2016 10:45:42 PM
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I (Yoshimich Moriyama) sent three comments on EastAsiaForum/Sam Bateman/Brinkmanship in the South China Sea helps nobody/June 7, and wrote a bit about the Nanjing Atrocities.
http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2016/06/07/brinkmanship-in-the-south-china-sea-helps-nobody/.

The Japanese did not forbid entry into or exit from the city of Chinese or Western people. Western people and journalists were allowed to make or keep contact with their homelands; they were free to send reports.
Posted by Michi, Friday, 19 August 2016 10:55:21 PM
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Michi
Our Dear Leader Kim Jong-Un gives us freedom of opinion and religion. His light of liberty protects all Japanese and Australians while he creates a world worth living in under the warm embrace of North Korea.
In Malaya , Wataru also believed that they must also be ready to give their lives if necessary to establish Hakkō ichiu(the whole world under one roof) and the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.
However, in November 1943, when the Japanese held the Greater East Asia Conference, both Malaya and Indonesia were excluded as the Japanese Military wanted to annex both countries. German farmers began packing their bags and moving to their land in Ukraine and Russia.
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 20 August 2016 8:24:12 AM
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Meanwhile, the China lobby continues to be angry that we don't lie down and let them buy up ports, land, and resources. Why not give them the ports of Melbourne and Fremantle? They need it to feed their people.

Write your own article, M and see how people like it.
I would have thought after what happened at Nanking the Japanese would not have much to be proud of in the war years.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/nanking.htm
Posted by Waverley, Saturday, 20 August 2016 8:30:32 AM
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Nicknamenick,
Japan did not start war in the Pacific from an altruistic and noble motive of liberating East Asian countries. The purpose of the Great East Asian Conference held in 1943 was mainly to enlist the attending countries on the side of Japan. Malay and Indonesia were not invited as you said, because Japan wanted to put then under its military control for the convenience of carrying out the war.

The colonial powers tried but could not come back as masters and those countries won independence one after another after the war; it was a side-effect unintended at all by Japanese. Sukarno often said to Japanese visitors, like Nasser of Egypt, after peace was restored that they owed liberation and independence for Japan's war. Even Mao Zedong said to Japanese that he owed his victory over Chiang Kaishek to the Sino-Japanese war and that the Japanese must visit Yasukuni Shrine.
Posted by Michi, Sunday, 21 August 2016 10:42:17 AM
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