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Dear ttbn,

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You wrote :

« All the old stuff about animals and ancients being homos doesn't make it normal. And, you if think it's OK for same sex couples to adopt children, you really do not care about children at all »
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That’s a fascinating opinion, ttbn. Would you be so kind as to elaborate a little further ?

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Toni Lavis:

"I'm heterosexual and I do that all the time. It's healthy and normal."

But that is not what you would choose if you had an option of the best possible experience. Homosexuals never choose the best possible experience and that is not healthy or normal.

"Because hookers are expensive,"

Why would you think that is the best possible experience of sex? To me the best possible experience is when both parties are experiencing maximum pleasure at the same time whilst also enjoying the emotional satisfaction of being with the person with whom you are having sex. That cannot happen with a hooker nor can it ever happen for homosexual people.

A J Philips:

No I don't have evidence for any of my opinions but as I said it does not mean those opinions are wrong. If you think that only opinions that are supported by evidence are worth considering then there is no point reading any of mine.

BJ,

It's not fascinating. It is fact. Abnormal behaviour has always been in existence. On the second point, you obviously do not care about children if you think it is alright for them to be brought up by a couple of queers when their school mates and friends have a mother and father, or at least access to a parent of both sexes in the case of divorce or separation. Children need a mother and father. I have glaring examples of the damage to children caused by the lack of a father in my own family. It is heart wrenching to see the effects of a fatherless child in the company of friends with fathers. I am the substitute father for my 10 year old granddaughter, but I am not always available, and I am an old man, not always able to take part in the activities a young father could. I have two other grandchildren in their late 20's who clearly demonstrate the effects of lack of paternal influence, even though their single mother has provided for them well in the material sense.

Having two 'mums' or two 'dads' instead of a mum and a dad is an abominable way for a kid to start life. I don't give two hoots what queers do with their lives, but they are not equipped to raise children.

Banjo Paterson,

Good luck in getting ttbn to elaborate much on or justify that claim. I tried nearly a year ago and didn't get much.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=17786&page=0#314742

He'll likely just re-assert his claim, just as he has done above.

ttbn,

Can I take it from your silence that you no longer think that homosexuality is unnatural “from any perspective”? They were very informative links, weren’t they? I take it, too, that you don’t actually know of any studies suggesting that only 10% of gay people are born that way.

<<All the old stuff about animals and ancients being homos doesn't make it normal.>>

That depends on how you define normal. If you mean “natural”, then why not? (Forgetting for a moment that this is the Naturalistic fallacy.)

By the way, there is no evidence that children of homosexual couples fare worse than those of heterosexual couples. You are merely assuming they do because it sounds like it should make sense.

phanto,

Yes, I know you said that.

<<No I don't have evidence for any of my opinions but as I said it does not mean those opinions are wrong.>>

And I also pointed out that the fact that you’ve pulled your opinions from thin air makes it very likely that they are wrong. Extremely likely, in fact. You seem to have forgotten that.

<<If you think that only opinions that are supported by evidence are worth considering then there is no point reading any of mine.>>

Yes, I do think that. Who wouldn’t? Why would anyone ever consider an opinion that was completely made up? I will continue to read and challenge your opinions, however, for so long as you continue to state them as fact, because to state as fact that which is not evidently true is dishonest. You could at least qualify your opinions with something like, “in my opinion”.

You like psychology, don’t you? Well here’s some actual psychology: Is Homophobia Associated With Homosexual Arousal?

http://www.homeworkmarket.com/sites/default/files/qx/15/04/24/01/adams_et_al_1996_homophobia_defense_mechs_article.pdf

A little spoiler: the answer is ‘yes’.

Here’s a couple more studies on the topic for you to peruse:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-sexual-continuum/201204/are-homophobic-people-really-gay-and-not-accepting-it
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120406234458.htm

Interesting psychology AJ.

One wonders if we are taught to hate this or that, whether or not the opposite doesn't "break through" from time to time as some kind of normal, regulatory, and or balancing function of the mind.

After all, to hate too long can be uncomfortable also for the one hating after some length of time, can it not?

Maybe that's when some people break out the whip and start flogging themselves? <snicker, snicker>

AJ,

I must be the kettle to your pot, given your comment above. You don't 'explain' things; you merely list online references (endlessly, if you don't mind me saying it). For starters, you naturally refer only to things that support what you think. I could do the same thing with references supporting what I think, if I could be bothered. But you would continue to go with your opinions, as I would with mine: so there's not much point to it really. The other thing is that anyone can put what they wish on the Internet, without proof or reason, totally unaccountable. I read books by noted authors who find it harder to get away with untruths and waffle.

As for BJ, he seems to be a polite chap, just like you, and I will always endeavour to treat you both with the regard I have for all my fellow human beings, irrespective of thought or sexual preference. But, in the matter of the latter, please do not expect me to believe that it is normal or OK, no matter what I think of the individuals involved.