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Gay rights activists deny our moral agency : Comments

By Shimon Cowen, published 10/8/2016

According to this traditional understanding of the human being, homosexuality does not define the essential dimension – which is the soul or conscience – of any person.

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Morality and choice are two very different animals!

Church going hetrosexual Nazis, perpertrated some of the greatest evils on other humans the world has witnessed, only exceeded in living memory by the excesses of ISIL; another tyrannically ruled group of hetrosexual fanantics who persecute gay folk for being born that way!

And yes our moral conduct is a matter of choice as indeed it was for the Nazis, ISIL, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Stalin, and countless others, including warrior popes at the head of armies and priests presiding over the spanish inquisition; the conversion via the sword of most of South America, and later as moralizing pious kiddy fidlers.

Most of us understand that our gay friends and family, were born that way, and if you believe in God, as he made them!

If J.C. walked among us today with his gentle kind nature and a preference for the company of men, he would likely be branded gay and ostracized for just being who he is!

Which is the case here and with this seriously flawed advocate?

Look, nobody is advocating that homosexuality is going to become compulsory or that officiating at a same sex marriage would ever be, you can't catch it via association nor is it learned or inculcated behavior!

Some of the most moral, decent. concerned and kind folk I know, are also gay, whose incorruptible (real) morality puts many bible bashing religious pulpit pounders to shame, in any fair comparison?

At the end of the day we will all be judged by a higher Authority, The one person we cannot fool or lie to; the person in the mirror!

And judgement, where this pseudo gay bashing and endless mindless persecution, will be found both wanting and seriously immoral!

Unfounded belief or conventional wisdom just doesn't make highly flawed erroneous assumptions true, any more that it turns a round world flat!

Bring on the plebiscite! Preferably before fools like this can perpetrate any more injustice or harm!
Alan B.
P.S. Forgive them Father for they know not what they do?
Posted by Alan B., Wednesday, 10 August 2016 10:55:52 AM
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That homosexuals were 'born that way' is a moot point. Some studies reveal that it could be true in about 10% of cases only. The other 90% - well who knows their motives and inadequacies?
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 11:48:33 AM
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Alan B

Responsible adults should be directing their children away from homosexuality, and not directing their children towards homosexuality.

New research shows that no matter how liberal the society, homosexuals often have poor levels of mental and physical health, and this is mostly associated with the life-style of the homosexual.

Heterosexuals do not, and should not have to change their life-styles to accommodate the life-style of a homosexual.

And young children should not be exposed to sexuality, and in particular, they should not be exposed to homosexuality.

There appears to be minimal biological causes for homosexuality, or what biological causes there are can be treated or avoided.

A possible antidote has been developed for "gender-bender" chemicals that have been absorbed into the body, and more research is necessary to remove these gender-bender chemicals from the environment.

In fact, more research should be carried out to reduce the rate of homosexuality in society to as low a level as possible.
Posted by interactive, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 11:53:19 AM
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Interative,

That doesn’t mean there’s no genetic factor.

<<When tested, homosexuality can be related to ethnic background, education and earnings.>>

The article you linked to just gives us statistics. Has it ever occurred to you that discrimination and mental health issues resulting from attitudes like yours could play a role in those findings?

Furthermore, the article notes that:

"The survey noted that it could not account for those not admitting their sexual preference."

Which may be more likely in those demographics that the occurrence of homosexuality was lower.

<<Responsible adults should be directing their children away from homosexuality, and not directing their children towards homosexuality.>>

Why? And who are these parents who are directing their children towards homosexuality?

<<New research shows that no matter how liberal the society, homosexuals often have poor levels of mental and physical health…>>

Again, hardly surprising with attitudes like yours.

<<…and this is mostly associated with the life-style of the homosexual.>>

What is the evidence for this? It sounds made up to me.

<<Heterosexuals do not, and should not have to change their life-styles to accommodate the life-style of a homosexual.>>

Since when has anyone ever suggested that they should?

<<In fact, more research should be carried out to reduce the rate of homosexuality in society to as low a level as possible.>>

Why?

ttbn,

<<From any perspective, homosexuality is abnormal, unnatural.>>

What about the perspective of evolution?

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.595.7163&rep=rep1&type=pdf
http://scholarworks.uno.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1018&context=econ_wp
http://tinyurl.com/grtladv

Or the perspective that it is observed in other species too?

<<Some studies reveal that it could be true in about 10% of cases only. The other 90% - well who knows their motives and inadequacies?>>

Could you please provide a reference to one of these studies?
Posted by AJ Philips, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 12:32:28 PM
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All this talk of sex is rude.

Like we army men say:

"Never leave your mate's behind".
Posted by plantagenet, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 12:34:23 PM
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AJ Philips

Results:

"Homosexually active persons and persons with same-sex attraction reported a higher prevalence of disorders than heterosexual persons."

Conclusion:

"Sexual orientation continues to be a risk factor for psychiatric disorders, stressing the need for understanding the origins of these disparities."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4655175/

This survey was undertaken in the Netherlands, where there is a high acceptance of homosexuality, and at this point, no amount of acceptance of homosexuality will reduce the higher incidence of psychiatric disorders among homosexuals.

They should change their life-style instead.

For example:

No "all male" parties, and then homosexuals complain they are being discriminated against.

No homosexual Mardi Gras events, where they wear their studded leather g-strings and Roman gladiator helmets, and then go of to a debauched drug-riddled party afterwards.

No homosexual beaches where they sneak up to the bushes behind the beach to indulge in some promiscuous activity with complete strangers etc.

It is known what homosexuals do, and very little of it can be recommended to children, or anyone else.
Posted by interactive, Wednesday, 10 August 2016 1:07:26 PM
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