You suggest that " .... I think you forgot to mention At the request of the puppet governments of those countries they installed and fund."

That's your best shot ? That the US is some all-powerful puppet-master ? I think Cherful was right that the US is more of a bumbler, less of an Evil Genius.

I'm intrigued, and appalled, at how sections of the Left suck up to Islamo-fascists. Do you think your head will be the last to fall ?

I don't agree that Putin is much better, he has his own agenda, but politics in the real world is rarely either-or, just two sides to every issue, as the kiddies on the pseudo-left assume (wouldn't that be so easy ?).

Any political dealings with countries and regions with very strong and reactionary (ask your parents) religious ideologies, as well as strong and fascist-oriented nationalist ideologies, force us to hold our noses and do dirty deals with tyrants like Assad and Putin, in order to defeat the Islamo-fascists of ISIS and the Taliban.

A disgusting choice, but otherwise entire countries like Syria will obviously be ground to dust.

Frankly, I think the US is almost powerless in the case of Syria: it hasn't even got a puppet-government to prop up. And it has to cosy up to Turkey, to get even just a little done. A truly ghastly situation.

And then there will be Trumpf. God help us - except there is no god. Only us.

Joe

Crackcup: Sothern" Caliphates aside, I have no desire to wish anything like that for us.

Thank God for that, but that's what will happen if we keep letting in moslems. Australia will end up like Europe. The way our Government appeases moslems that's what will eventually happen.

Crackcup: I foresee us as a nation similar to Switzerland, neutral in all perceivable situations, with a similar Electoral and National Defence system.

Before the West "interfered" with these Nations their Governments were persecuting their Citizens, so much that there were Refugees in droves, even coming to Australia. A point that seems to get forgotten. If we want to be Neutral then we should refuse Refugees as well.

Crackcup: We keep being told by our people that a Citizen Initiated Referendum system of Politics will not work here, but they simply do not want to give it a go,

Something I have advocated for many years. Abortion, Refugees, moslems, Adoption, Same Sex Marriage & a myriad of other issues. A missed opportunity when having a Census. Those Questions could be put on the Form. Then it would be official which way the Majority of Australians want things to be.

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Crackcup: I am astounded at the continuation of the financial hand-outs from Australia to the many so-called Third World countries, amounting to Trillions of Dollars.

One of my pet hates. You are correct as to where the money goes. Been there, done that. The only Aid that should bee handed out is for Disasters, then only in Material help. No Money involved. If they want "Landing Fees, ect. ;-)" then we don't land the Aid.

Crackcup: the U.S. is continually pushing it`s main industry, which is the war machine/arms/munitions, we will continue to be subjected to an ever-increasing tide of displaced humanity!

Allow me to say again. Before the West "interfered" with these Nations their Governments were persecuting their Citizens, so much that there were Refugees in droves, even coming to Australia. A point that seems to get forgotten. These Countries have been at war with themselves for 4000 years. The West, being misguided, thought it could help. Interests aside.

Hi Jayb,

Yes, I don't think Crackup realises that isolationism in foreign policy, abandoning any interest in whatever happens in other countries, goes hand in hand with a policy of 'no refugees' from those countries. If we shouldn't get involved in helping to resolve issues in other countries, then we also have no obligation to be involved with any of the consequences of that inaction.

And there are still twenty million Syrian potential refugees to go.

But where is the universalism that the Left proudly espoused decades ago, that all men and women were brothers and sisters, that every person on earth should have the same rights and opportunities as anyone else ?

Now we are supposed to surrender to 'culture', that different groups had different notions of rights and opportunities, and we should 'respect' those differences. We abandon our fellow human beings. What an utterly gutless approach. It harks back to the early 19th century anti-Enlightenment reactionaries like le Maistre, the forerunner of fascism and racism.

No, there is no Left any more. It sh!t itself long ago.

Joe

Hey Cherful,
My comment was a little ignorant in that I just read 'beheadings' in your comment and wanted an excuse to mention Rita Katz who, it is said, has faked numerous ISIS beheadings videos for use as propoganda.
Whilst I don't know for sure if it is true, it is talked about often on several of the alternative media programs I listen to, and in a way that at the very least leaves me open minded about it.
I havent actually looked hard into their arguments, or at which videos they say are faked.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/11/staged-isis-beheading-video-hacked-from-mccain-staffer/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-behind-the-islamic-state-is-beheadings-probing-the-site-intelligence-group/5402082

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Katz

But in saying that, I'm not suggesting that all videos of atrocities by ISIS are faked, just that some potentially are in order to sell the people an agenda.

interactive,
"But shuffling refugees from one country to the next does not solve anything."
Not in the eyes of the common person, but that doesn't mean there arent benefits if you're a globalist.

What if the aim was to destroy national soverignty, nationalism and the very identity we have in our own countries?
Have you heard the term 'New World Order'?
You can't build a 'new' without tearing down the 'old'.
In this case shuffling refugees from one country to another does serve a purpose, and people like George Soros wouldn't do it if it didn't.
It's just that it doesn't make sense to the average person.

The US is an fascist economic dictatorship that rules by lies, frauds and deception.
Don't believe me? Start with electoral rigging.
http://youtu.be/rVTXbARGXso?t=1h8m30s

Cheerful and Loudmouth,what country has 900 military bases around the planet that has illegally invaded Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq,Syria and many others ? It is Western Imperialism financed by our central bankers as in the past,that have created the refugee problem.That is the reality.