If we really are at "war" with terrorism there no problem with "extra-judicial" killings of extremists and capturing and interning POW's.

If Europe leaves it all up to the constabulary and judiciary, i.e. not a war, it can expect further growth in outrageous events.

Grateful,
Straw man arguments don't require a response but I'm clever enough not to breach section 18c in any of my posts and you won't be able to bait me into breaking the law.

Jay and Lucerferace,
I wasn't thinking of Section 18c , but the AFP. You are talking about aiding and abetting murder afterall.

As an aside, i'd have Section 18c replaced with a provision that would allow those who had been accused or abused to bring their abusers before a panel to present their case.

You want to claim Muslims are terrorist that their book promotes violence. Fine. Muslims would win hands down based on the evidence (which is why you guys do a runner at the first sign of a serious scholar), and you guys would be left out of pocket and childish.

"You are talking about aiding and abetting murder..."
No more so than what happened to the the IRA as laid out by JoM earlier.

If I support Australian soldiers at war, am I aiding and abetting murder? However, we are not formally yet at "war" with terrorism, just using the term loosely.

According to some imams, murder is only acceptable in self-defense under Islam. The next question is on what pretext self-defense can be justified. Across the Muslim world there is a view that there is a justification in history and in what is going on now, hence the sympathy for IS.

History tells us the Arabs invaded most of what is now considered to be the Muslim world, including North Africa. That there has recently been a movement against tyranny, followed by theocracy, that should not be blamed on the west. Indigenous inhabitants of those lands, particularly, look to the West and want western freedoms. I'm in favour of supporting that endeavour, and so should you be, grateful.

Muslims hold similar historical $hit on their collective livers. One can't justify Arab/Muslim invasion and Islamification on one hand and, on the other, be supportive of movements to break free from it, after all.

Furthermore, whatever arrangements governments in ME nations have with western interests is their own free will, and not something that should have anything to do with religion or a pretext for violent jihad. If the collective Islamic wisdom is that the west has, and still does, rape and pillaged the ME, then there are non-violent means by which to change things, including giving people a democratic say (which is not the Islamic way, unfortunately).

Any argument that the Islamic world is provoked to violence compromises the simultaneous defense of Islam's supposedly peaceful message.

Luciferace,

I seems I misinterpreted you. I thought you were advocating vigilantism.

I'd agree with everything you said, but would also emphasis that Muslims and other religions in the region have turned to Islamic courts and imams for justice and protection against tyranny whether it be from the dictators who have sought (with the support of the West) to marginalise Islam (because it has limited the ability of rulers to tyrannise) or the neo-Kharajite movements re-emerging in the form of Wahabbite doctrines and brutal practices of ISIS.

So that you do not think that I'm just speaking from the top my hat, I would recommend two lectures by Columbia University professor, Dr. Richard Bulliet. He predicted the Arab Spring and appreciates better than most the dynamics of the Arab world

-Religion and the State in Islam: From Medieval Caliphate to the Muslim Brotherhood

-Understanding Muslim Countries

(You will find the video lectures by googling)

As for the Kharajites, the best online description of the movement, and how it evolved, is probably by Shaykh Seraj Hendericks:

-The Kharajites and their impact on Contemporary Islam, parts 1- 6 , http://www.sunnah.org/aqida/kharijites1.htm

Marginalisation of Islam since the 1850s (under the pretext of "modernisation") has allowed both tyrannys manifest themselves

grateful

can you name one place on earth where Islam has produced a place where people want to immigrate to?