Shadow Minister states "You quote "imminent" historians, that are largely unheard of, and the "Oxford History of Islam" that is not linked to Oxford university in an attempt to appear authoritative, but fail spectacularly"

An extraordinary set of statements. It demonstrates a complete lack of interest in the facts. So much so that you don't check your own!

Oxford History of Islam is produced by Oxford University Press

"Oxford University Press (OUP) is the largest university press in the world,[1] and the second-oldest, after Cambridge University Press. It is a department of the University of Oxford and is governed by a group of 15 academics appointed by the Vice-Chancellor known as the Delegates of the Press. They are headed by the Secretary to the Delegates, who serves as OUP's chief executive and as its major representative on other university bodies. Oxford University has used a similar system to oversee the Press since the 17th century." wikipaedia

As for the author:"Fred McGraw Donner (born 1945) is a scholar of Islam and Professor of Near Eastern History at the University of Chicago" His homepage: http://nelc.uchicago.edu/faculty/donner

Obviously, you wouldn't know an eminent historian if you fell over him.

Lucerface wrote:
"" ...and, above all, the intrinsic appeal of the Islamic belief."

Really? "Above all"? Now where would a scholar have pulled that one from? Such a rose-coloured religious perspective puts a scholar's objectivity into question, IMO. Whatever"

Exactly, in YOUR opinion: "Whatever" . In a court of law your case would be thrown out is less than a minutes.

Neither yourself of SM can produce a source to support your "opinions".

So let's try a dose of honesty and admit that the charge that Islam as being spread by the sword is false. A lie that is bigger than Santa Clause (sorry to break news like this).

Grateful You seem to be so disposed to history so have a look at the Ottoman Empire. If you have any Greek friends ask them about Islam and tolerance.
But this is now and you need to look at invasion armies of dole bludgers who will turn our country into rubbish tips as they have to their home countries.
I know how unpopular plebiscites are, well mainly unpopular with people like you anyway. We should have one on whether we allow a seventh century religion and all it's rubbish to come to our country. I would say no thanks.

Grateful,

It is clear that you have no clue as to what makes a historian eminent.

John L. Esposito, who produced The Oxford History of Islam, is also the director of the Prince Alwaleed Center for Muslim–Christian Understanding at Georgetown where he is paid to produce articles of a singular political bent. His complete lack of objectivity is clear in its publications.

https://acmcu.georgetown.edu/

Also Oxford university press is a publishing company, that publishes a vast quantity of books and articles, many, if not most have no connection to Oxford university, the The Oxford History of Islam is a prime example. The OUP does not vet nor associate itself with what it prints, and the use of the name Oxford in the title is a desperate attempt to claim legitimacy.

Shadow Minister, Lucerface, JBower

Where are your sources?

SM. such fear of the truth, that you would claim Oxford University Press " is not linked to Oxford university"

Again Oxford University Press "is a department of the University of Oxford and is governed by a group of 15 academics appointed by the Vice-Chancellor known as the Delegates of the Press. "

So according to you, Oxford University Press is a department of the University of Oxford with "no links" to the University of Oxford!

And the author is not Esposito but "Fred McGraw Donner (born 1945) is a scholar of Islam and Professor of Near Eastern History at the University of Chicago"

And all these claims and accusations without being able to cite one source!

Like i said, you wouldn't last one minute if this matter were being adjudicated in a court of law.

You have no evidence to support your opinions and you will accept no evidence that demonstrate you opinions are wrong.

cont...

...and you are saying Oxford University would lend its name to a book with an editor with a "complete lack of objectivity "

Are you sane?