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Pause in global temperatures ended but carbon dioxide not the cause : Comments

By Jennifer Marohasy, published 21/3/2016

El Nino events are not caused by carbon dioxide. They are natural events which manifest as changes in ocean and atmospheric circulation patterns across the Pacific Ocean.

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That's all just hand waving nonsense regarding water vapor supposedly warming. See the study of real world data in the Appendix of my 2013 paper (and my book) linked at http://climate-change-theory.com and the correct physics which explains why it cools.

Nitrogen, oxygen and argon hold over 98% of the thermal energy in the atmosphere and yet cannot radiate it away themselves. They need to transfer it by thermal diffusion to IR-active (GH) gases that then can radiate the energy out of the atmosphere. These GH molecules also absorb a significant amount of incident solar radiation (20% in total as shown in energy diagrams) whilst the absorption by the atmosphere of upward radiation is only 15% of the original solar radiation. It's all there in those energy budget diagrams which do not explain the surface temperature by a long shot. It can't be explained with ANY radiation. What happens is at http://climate-change-theory.com and in my linked papers and book.
Posted by Doug Cotton, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 4:20:12 PM
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This is how an unqualified ignoramus responds to a request to supply science to support the assertion that human emissions have any measurable effect on climate. These are the words posted by the flea, our unqualified ignoramus:” Twice references have been given to experimentation observing CO2 and IR.”.
He does not even know what the topic is, but it does not stop him from posting irrelevant nonsense
Posted by Leo Lane, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 6:13:20 PM
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@ Doug Cotton, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 4:20:12 PM

I continue to be a student.

Doug, how can it be nonsense about "water vapour supposedly Warming"? Heated water gives off water vapour as steam and then super steam. Yes, no?

What is known about warmth in ocean algae plant matter? Anything?

Would living ocean algae take up warmth in oxygen during photosynthesis or during periods of dense cloud or at night?

To your knowledge, has photosynthesis-linked warmth in ocean algae plant matter been measured and assessed in AGW, IPCC and Kyoto associated science?
Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 5 April 2016 6:24:00 PM
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JF Aus
Yes Oooops. I did mean east. Thankyou for your detailed reply. Your practical experience, eyewitness accounts and long term interest are all to be taken far more seriously than my casual reading of literature. Will go back and have another look at those links you posted.
Some things you may be curious about.
1972 (El Nino) "BOSTON, Monday
(AAP-Reuter). - Health
official* In Massachusetts
Maine, New Hampshire
and Rhode Island have or
dered a halt to clam
digging all along the New
England coast as a poison
ous sea algae known as
the "red tide" appeared to
be spreading. http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/102004888

1953 ( Not specific to that year) "Algae Were Long
A Puzzle
In the Southern Hemi-
sphere, perhaps the greatest
menace to an ordered marine
life for millions of small fish
is the "Red Tide," a pheno-
menon that occurs, fortu-
nately, more frequently in
South African waters than off
the Australian coast, though
it is not unknown here."
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18514409

1914 with mention of 1891.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/114334055

1831/2 Charles Darwin Voyage of the Beagle with mention of it being seen by Captain Cook.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/67225326

"The spike occurs sometimes, for example when tides and winds allow" Tides are caused by the cycles of the Moon, Sun and planets. Some wind also.
Posted by Siliggy, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 2:29:59 AM
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Siliggy,

Thank you for understanding value of long term observation.
However the literature. is just or if not more important.
So put the pieces of each together and there can be significant outcome.

"Red tide/s" sure has a history. Red tide phenomena of the day is mentioned in Biblical literature as occurring in the vicinity of the Nile River estuary.
Reasons for a spike can vary.
For example early civilizations also polluted rivers and lakes for long periods during drought. Heavy rain then causes flood washing an overload of nutrient off land and river banks and downriver into the sea. The fresh water and bonded nutrient clings together within reason, similar to how moisture clings together in some clouds in some areas of the sky.

Streaks of nutrient bonded fresher water on the ocean surface sometimes come in contact with a single spore and the streak turns into a red streak bloom looking like what is called "red tide". Not long ago people thought red tide was coral spore.

Wind drives ocean surface currents including onshore waves that drive alongshore current in streaks and blobs transporting nutrient.

Tides linked to gravity and the moon sometimes draw blobs and streaks of nutrient loaded ocean water into estuaries and even somewhat upriver where wind and water temperature convection can move nutrient further upriver.
Deposits of nutrient occur including from wild animals and range-fed animals.
A flood can resuspend sediment and dung deposits and move nutrient en mass back into the sea, sometimes leading to a spike in proliferation of phytoplankton/algae and impact on weather.

It appears almost entire coastline can become impregnated with nutrient before a once in 7 or whatever year big cyclone causes surge on a high tide.
Wind causes the surge. Yes, spin of our planet is linked to wind.
The high rough water can expose and re-suspend nutrient loaded sediment causing what science may describe as a spike, in algae growth for example.
There is more to it.

What do you think after looking back at my previous input on this thread?
Posted by JF Aus, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 8:44:01 AM
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This is Marohasy creating more denialist click bate. Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.
Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 9:04:09 AM
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