strange how their has been many that have been made sexually whole and come out of homosexual lifestyles. One guy I recently met has had over 100 partners. Since being made whole he has been married and had a couple of kids. Oh well, his narrative does not fit the regressives dogmas. Simple biology just thrown out the window when it comes to this issue. Keep promoting, keep confusing, keep dumbing down is very common for the regressive narrative that is totally bigotted towards anyone with a different view.

Hi Peter,

I suppose the bigger the lie, and the more often you tell it, the more it is likely to be believed by simpletons.

So "fluidity of sexual orientation has now become scientifically established just as the heliocentric universe was in Galileo's time."

Says who ?

Just trying to deconstruct, to be critically analytical, to understand :)

Joe

Loudmouth what are you a flat Earther or something?

Peter as always you need to focus on the big questions in religion...how many Angels can dance on the head of a pin?

As for the Gay stuff, who cares what consenting adults do... we are moving ever more to a free society that tolerance diversity, and that a good thing.

Hi Cobber,

As a sort-of-Marxist atheist, I admire Galileo for his courage in the face of torture and all manner of threats from people who would cripple his freedom of belief, for his integrity to stand up for what he believed in, and for what turned out to be correct, perhaps refined a bit by Newton and Einstein, but still substantially correct.

There are no angels.

It is not a flat earth.

I support the right of homosexual men to have anal intercourse etc., but I don't have to like it. I don't HAVE to believe that it is normal behaviour, simply that it is legal. That's my opinion and I have a right to it. So up yours. Or do homosexuals have some proprietorial claim on that phrase ?

Unless, of course, 'freedom of belief' means that I MUST believe everything that you believe. Is that your position ?

My point is that Peter is begging the question: asserting precisely what needs to be demonstrated, proven.

Can you do that ?

Joe

Cobber the hound, "As for the Gay stuff, who cares what consenting adults do.."

So you are saying that the taxpayer shouldn't be worried about those 'bare-backing' Gays? Someone has to consider the consequences and costs to the stupid and to the community that has to pay for their treatment and medication.

The taxpayer shouldn't be stumping up for the public health campaign to get them to wear a condom if they really must indulge in their risky, CHOSEN, behaviour, you say?

No, that is where you'd very soon find that they should be provided with the very best treatment regardless of cost, with the impossible goal of restoring them to the complete health and wellbeing they themselves were so casual about and put others at risk as well.

The community is right to warn and be warned against sexual and any other practices that are known to be harmful and could result in permanent incapacity, even death.

In normalising risky sexual behaviour such as anal sex the media, Hollywood producers and others who should know better have magnified and finally realised the risk of HIV jumping across to the young fertile heterosexual population. The penalty of the risky sexual experimentation being encouraged in youths (and in schools in Victoria!) is highly likely to be severe and affect their future partner and children they may wish to produce

Thanks, Peter, for an interesting contribution to this topic. Natural law theory has indeed played an important role in the church’s thinking on this issue, and I agree with you that “the application of natural law theory to sexual ethics has been a disaster.”

It is possible, though, to construct an argument using “natural law” type reasoning that is less hostile to homosexual relationships. As you say, modern science now understands homosexuality as intrinsic to a person’s being, not an aberration or lifestyle choice. We can be pretty certain that homosexual attraction has existed in all human cultures and periods of history. We also know that homosexual activity occurs in the animal kingdom.

Homosexuality is part of the diversity of the created order. Christians have no business condemning people for being who God made them.