I wonder if there is something in the water in Australia that brings out the rednecks, bigots and just plain stupid. Those espousing their indignation, moral outrage etc have likely not read the content of the program nor the depth of support organisations for the program.

Funded by the Federal Government and Victorian government, it enjoys the support of over 93 diverse institutions including Mental Health Commission NSW, Macquarie University, Australian Federation of AIDS Organisations, Shoalhaven Council, AlburyCity Council and on and on; a bit of a stretch to suggest they all are closet "paudophile grooming " supporters or involved in "radical forms of sex education that promotes a fluid gender ideology".

There is also 515 schools with about 400,000 students involved in the program.

It is a simple tenet that the program provides information unaccompanied by prejudice, agenda or judgement.

I am sure that Loudmouth, Runner et al would agree that information empowers the recipient...bet they would be all for it if we were discussing Muslims.

Hi Peter,

I don't think anybody here has suggested that the morons who initiated this program are pedophiles. Just the 'useful idiots' of pedophiles.

Aidan,

You suggest that "Doubt and skepticism are the polar opposites of indoctrination, and should be taught to children from kindergarten up."

Ultimately yes, but about one's sexuality ? Just as young children reach puberty ? Young children being indoctrinated to have doubts about their very being, as many might see it - whether they are a boy or a girl ?

Can you imagine the teasing that is probably going on right this minute between kids ?

Now on earth can it be suggested that, somehow, putting serious doubts in the minds of some children, just starting to experience all the chaos of puberty, about whether they are a boy or a girl, is NOT going to push some towards suicide ? Utterly lunatic. IF there are suicides, whose door do we lay responsibility for them at ? Gramsci, I suppose, poor little bugger.

We'll see.

Joe

You see Joe you do the same as the other extremists on this forum with "I don't think anybody here has suggested that the morons who initiated this program are pedophiles. Just the 'useful idiots' of pedophiles."

The pejorative use of "moron" says it all about you...I did not suggest that the supporters were paedophiles; that is your term and ridiculous. 93+ highly visible enterprises across the entire spectrum of Australian services support the program which is not new by the way, and yet you have a warped perspective without even being involved in the process.

Fail on credibility, fail on debate content and fail on logic!

Hi Peter,

So your entire case is built around the improper use of the word 'moron' ? You are perfectly free to use terms like 'the rednecks, bigots and just plain stupid', just as I am entitled to use the word 'moron'. It's called freedom of speech in both cases. Get over it.

I did not call supporters of this stupidity 'pedophiles' or, to please Toni, 'paedophiles'. [Actually, a more appropriate term would be 'pederasts'.] I suggested that it would, perhaps inadvertently, serve the cause of pedophiles. Have any of the morons involved thought about the impacts on pedophiles, and their vile activities ? Or are kids to be taught that pedophiles, 'uncles', are not so bad, they give you lollies, and it's okay for them to contact you on the internet and tell you exciting things, and for them to arrange to meet you and take you to the pictures after school. [Just don't tell mummy].

Ah, the refutation from a position of authority: the 97 authorities.

Guilty, your honour.

Joe