We do not need a Safe Schools Coalition nor do we need to radically change society by a Marxist strategy or any other strategy so whatever the aim of Roz Ward might be she needs to get a real life.

Some people just dramatise situations in order to magnify their own sense of self-importance. You can’t be a Messiah unless you convince people they need to be saved and people like Roz Ward spend their life doing that with missionary zeal.

They would have you believe that every kid is on the verge of killing themselves over their sexual ‘problems’. In the first instance it is extremely arrogant to presume to know why anyone kills themselves – no one has ever actually come back from the dead to tell us. We simply can never know for sure but these zealots seem to know for sure because they base their actions on such certainty. They set up ‘safe zones’ because they know without any doubt that not having safe zones causes suicides. There is absolutely no ambiguity in their reasoning at all.

Secondly they see any kind of questioning or insecurity about sex as being a ‘problem’ of such tremendous proportions that only a true Messiah can save them. Kids struggle with their sexual feelings for all sorts of reasons - it is part of growing up. They wonder how such good feelings are repressed by some of the adults they see around them. What seems so good to them appears as bad to some others. These dilemmas appear when a young person is old enough to question but not necessarily independent enough to disagree with adults on whom they depend for basic needs. This may cause problems for some but not everyone. It is not a problem about sexual feelings but about the burgeoning need to break free of their adult carers in many areas of life.

The last thing they need is some ‘do-gooder’ radical indoctrinating them with their views about what is good or bad about sex. Leave them alone and they will work it out for themselves.

Bugsy, "You may not have indulged in 'poofter bashing' Joe, but I knew a few people that did. Nice baptist boys too, raised by teetotalling parents"

The alleged prevalence of 'poofter bashing' is yet another myth put about by activists. Where are the reported cases, ones where that intent was accepted in court? They must be very few and far between, in living memory anyhow.

However, finally there is gathering data on violence in gay (incl lesbian) relationships to show that there is plenty of partner violence and some very serious. Gay DV is still largely unreported, because police are not trained to deal with it, it is said.

One is left to wonder how much of the claimed 'poofter bashing' was in fact domestic violence and police/authorities did not view or report it as such. Where only the claims of DV are reported, the sexual preference of the instigator (including the victim's role in that) is left unreported.

In this article, the author made a series of claims about the facts of the programme and its originators intentions. The author has directly quoted the programmes designers stating what the point of the exercise really is.

But no one here has tried to show the author is wrong about what is being said about the original, hidden purpose of the schools programme. They've just gone off and said that they don't like the author's views and that's that.

For the article.."This program gives its support to an array of sexual experimentation; it suggests young people can bypass school and other internet filtering systems to access sites that carry porn and sex aids; it presents as safe and acceptable hormone therapy and surgery to become transgender; it presents as acceptable dangerous female chest binding so girls can appear gender ambiguous; it encourages schools to allow for cross-gender students to use the change rooms and toilets of the sex with which they want to identify; and it provides links to adult gay organisations"

Just ignoring that and the assertion that this is aimed at furthering the Marxist remodelling of capitalist society misses the whole point. As with so much that goes on here, a side is picked and the facts be damned.

I suspect that many commenters here don't actually read the article being commented on but instead just read Graham Y's one line summary and then launch the vitriol. The summary says Marxist and that's enough to pick sides.

Maybe the summary needs to be better so that those who don't read the whole article will understand a little better what is being said. In that case its all Graham's fault :) . Problem solved.

PS "It says a lot to me that the National Civic Council has existed for more than 60 years and I've never heard of it."

Wow. And then he thinks he can pontificate on communism in Australia! Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it. Those who are bog ignorant of history are condemned to being ignored.

otb

you are right to point out that the greatest threat to homosexuals is homosexuals who bash and rape at a far higher rate that the general population.

Mhaze:

“But no one here has tried to show the author is wrong about what is being said about the original, hidden purpose of the schools programme.”

What other conclusion could you arrive at? If Roz Ward said she set up the program and she believes there needs to be a Marxist type revolution to change attitudes to sexual behaviour then would it be correct to assume that the point of the former is to bring about the latter. She might also think that such a revolution would reduce bullying and suicides.

The real issue is whether or not there is a problem in either schools or society or whether or not she just wants there to be a problem.

Runner "you are right to point out that the greatest threat to homosexuals is homosexuals who bash and rape at a far higher rate that the general population."

Really Runner?
Where are your stats on this statement, or is this just another of your drive-by lies?