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Gender bending in our primary schools : Comments

By Greg Donnelly, published 11/2/2016

The book, The Gender Fairy, is being recommended for children four years of age and above.

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Once again assumptions are made and they are totally wrong. I'm not religious at all. My objections to teaching children about complicated issues at an age they are suffering sexual confusion themselves has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with mental health.
Many children feel they are in the wrong body when they are at an impressionable age. The vast majority of them grow out of this and this is backed up by research figures.
The last thing they need is to be told is that this is normal, when in fact gender dysphoria is a mental health disorder listed in the DSM5.
So, in the search for empathy, do we also ask children to role play imagining they are schizophrenic or bipolar? As autism is far more common than gender dysphoria, do we spend lesson time getting students to pretend they are autistic so they can empathise more with those kids?
And on a final note, after reading some of the material presented in this program, since when does a multi gendered person get to tell impressionable kids that virginity has no definition?That it is anything they want it to be. In other words, do anything sexual you want, you can still claim to be a virgin.
At a time when std rates are soaring in some areas, the last thing we need is kids being told that everything is on the table and they can indulge without repercussions.
Posted by Big Nana, Sunday, 14 February 2016 12:59:26 PM
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Phanto your false protests at feeling bullied because you are a homophobe are getting boring now. If you think I have bullied you then report me to the administrator.

Big Nana, I have only ever met 2 kids in my whole nursing and private lifetime who really felt they were born in the wrong bodies. It is actually very rare.
Many kids like being with and acting like the opposite sex to themselves, but rarely would they like to go on and change their bodies etc to become another gender.

Certainly I don't know of any kids who 'decided' they were born the wrong gender simply because they were taught about it in school! That is absolute rubbish....
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 15 February 2016 12:33:55 AM
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Suseonline:

Most bullies do find the subject of bullying rather boring. I never said that you had accused me of being homophobic or of trying to bully me in this thread it is more about your general bullying behaviour towards people you think are homophobic.

When we are having a discussion about what is appropriate subject matter for primary school students in the area of gender identification you make snide remarks about parents who might disagree with you by labelling them as homophobic. There is absolutely no good reason to make such a remark in this discussion. I cannot see why that word would need to be used at all in this discussion unless it is used to make some ‘cheap shot’ and cheap shots are one of the tools of the bully. Homophobic people have as much right to exist in society as you do but you seem to want to hurt them so that they will go away. That is why you denigrate them and ridicule them and pour scorn on them at so many opportunities.

Homophobic people have certain feelings about homosexuality – that is what even homosexual people accept. They have fears and dislikes and they are entitled to those feelings just as you are entitled to yours. When you denigrate people for having perfectly legitimate feelings then you are bullying them. Do you denigrate depressed people or timid people or people with stage fright or people with arachnophobia or claustrophobia? It would be rather cruel if you did. So why is it not cruel to denigrate people with homophobia? Why is that not bullying?

If homophobic people break the law then they should be dealt with the same as if a depressed person breaks the law. People are punished for breaking the law and not for having homophobic feelings or depression. When you want to put people down just for having certain feelings then you are a bully.
Posted by phanto, Monday, 15 February 2016 3:32:36 PM
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Phanto, I have not put anyone down for their feelings or anything else, so I can only think you just want an argument because you are bored, or are you just an unpleasant argumentative person?

Websters dictionary states "Definition of homophobia. : irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals."
Do you not see yourself and some others on this forum fitting this description?
If so, then me calling you or others homophobic is just stating the obvious, and nothing else.

You need to get over yourself and just move on from this thread now.....like me.
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 15 February 2016 6:09:26 PM
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“Phanto, I have not put anyone down for their feelings or anything else, so I can only think you just want an argument because you are bored, or are you just an unpleasant argumentative person?”

Well you would say that because bullies always think it is the other person who has the problem.

You must have had some doubts about your bullying because you went and looked up the dictionary for the definition of homophobia but it is a very poor definition. If Webster says that it is an irrational fear then does he mean that there can be rational fears of homosexuals? Which ones are which? Or is he saying that all fears of homosexuals are irrational? Which is it? How can he know that all such fears are irrational without testing each person?

How can homophobia be both a feeling and an action? Discrimination is discrimination – it can’t be something else at the same time. Discrimination is an activity. Fear is a feeling and so too is aversion. How can homophobia be two entirely different things?

“calling you or others homophobic is just stating the obvious”

But why do you need to state it if it is obvious unless you mean to bully them with such a statement?

“You need to get over yourself and just move on from this thread now.”

Of course you would want me to move on – bullies always want to change the subject or shut it down.
Posted by phanto, Monday, 15 February 2016 7:37:35 PM
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Lol! Yes Phanto, the Webster dictionary is wrong and you are right.
You must feel humble in your own presence...
Posted by Suseonline, Monday, 15 February 2016 8:33:43 PM
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