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The Swan isn't dying yet : Comments

By Peter Sellick, published 13/1/2016

My criticism of the rationalists, the humanists and the secularists is their desire for a society in which the sacred is no more.

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Dear Yuyutsu,

There is no sense in talking about God in relation to religion as that creation of the human imagination is not necessary for religion.
Posted by david f, Friday, 22 January 2016 1:06:03 PM
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Dear David,

God is not a creation of human imagination.

Any creation of human imagination is born at some point in time and is eventually forgotten at some later point in time. In other words, it is mortal, not God.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 22 January 2016 3:20:21 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

God was created by the human imagination at one point in time and will be discarded when humanity is grown up enough to discard it.
Posted by david f, Friday, 22 January 2016 3:33:59 PM
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Dear David,

What you are referring to are human ideas ABOUT God, of which there are many and which, unlike God, do born and die.

You can tell those humans ideas apart from God because they attempt to describe God and assign to Him all sorts of attributes - whereas God Himself has none and cannot be described.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 22 January 2016 4:28:49 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

God only exists in the human mind. When humans discard the concept or treat it as myth as they do the Roman, Greek, Norse and other myths that will be the end of God.

There is no evidence that God exists. God is nothing but a human idea.

You apparently want to believe in a creation of the human imagination as children believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus or the tooth fairy. God has no more reality than the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.
Posted by david f, Friday, 22 January 2016 4:38:25 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,

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You wrote :

« Rocks can only lie there and eventually water will run over them and chip away at their surface until they are lighter, but man in contrast is possibly unique in being able to use deliberate discipline, dieting and exercising in order to lose their excess weight faster.

So while religion is natural, man can deliberately and systematically accelerate its progress … »
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That’s true but both rocks and man are part of nature. Is there any way that either of them can change that and no longer be part of nature? Whatever man does, that rocks cannot do – deliberately accelerate the process of losing weight, for example – isn’t that just as natural as rocks becoming lighter “as water eventually runs over them”, even though the process is different?

Is it possible for man to do anything that is not natural? Can anything in the universe be anything other than natural, whatever the circumstances and however its different composants interact with each other, constructively, neutrally, or destructively?

Did the rocks decide to make themselves as they are? Did man decide to make himself as he is? Is man responsible for what he is and what he can do that the rocks can’t do?
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You also wrote :

« Now I haven't mentioned a "creator", that was your own addition »
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That’s true. As you indicated: “ … everything that exists is on a path that will eventually bring it back to God ”, I understood this to mean that as everything emanates from “God” and returns to “God” that “everything” and “God” were two different entities. If you meant that everything and “God” were one and the same entity, then “everything” would not need to return to “God” because it would already be “God” and would not need to return anywhere.

Therefore, as “everything” is different from “God”, I presumed that it must have been created by God and not the contrary.

I am sorry if I have misunderstood. Perhaps you would be kind enough to explain.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 22 January 2016 9:26:23 PM
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