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Peace loving Australian Muslims deserve a ‘fair go’! : Comments

By Aqeel Choudhry, published 24/12/2015

The peaceful, loyal and law-abiding Australian Muslims deserve a 'fair go'. The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a perfect example as victim of this over generalisation.

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Again Susie your hatred and misrepresenting of the true God leaves you no discernment at all especially when it comes to Islam.
Posted by runner, Sunday, 3 January 2016 7:21:04 PM
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Foxy, immigrants have changed as those who came in the 50's 60's 70's came for a better life and in fact helped shape the nation. Then came the Muslims, the Samoans etc who have a huge percentage who came here to live of the benefits others provide. In fact we have generations of immigrants who have never worked a day in their lives.

If this is a better Australia you've got me, in fact, as recent as last night another model citizen, a young teenager was bashed by islanders in the city mall.

While our immigrants of yesteryear may have helped shape our nation, the recent lot have dragged us through the mud.

Now you are entitled to disagree but you will need to wear your blinkers to do so.
Posted by rehctub, Sunday, 3 January 2016 7:38:00 PM
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"While our immigrants of yesteryear may have helped shape our nation.."

Not all of them, that is just the sacred cow spin that federal governments have used to justify growthism and taxpayers having to pay for the infrastructure, health and welfare.

After all, if there weren't continual records being set in immigration (with the taxpayer paying for them), how could the banks and developers continue to post increasing profits?

To take a couple of examples, some migrants from the Mediterranean area were infamous for insurance and social security scams. For another there was the importation of the Mafia, although some of them did not need to be gang members to be violent.

Not that federal governments ever admitted any of that or were successful in tightening controls and definitely not where sudden large intakes were concerned.

However Labor must have known for instance that Al Grassby, the Immigration Minister it spruiked as the 'Father of Multiculturalism' had Mafia connections. For their part the LNP proved that money talks,

http://www.smh.com.au/national/political-donations-wide-open-to-mafia-corruption-20150626-ghycxk.html

Frankly I'd be more concerned about the criminal gangs and propensity to join gangs of some migrants groups than their terrorism. No, they do not join gangs because they are being 'discriminated' against either. Just a part of the culture and traditions of some of the mobs that are being imported as the 'diversity' tail wags the immigration policy dog.

What is missing in Australia is any real review of immigration - as in rigorous scrutiny, independent from lobbyists' and political interference (which includes those academic grants that always produce the desired political results).
Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 3 January 2016 10:14:56 PM
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The problem appears to be in this
discussion that people are cherry-picking verses
from the Quran to condemn all Muslims rather
than being rightfully angry at particular groups
like ISIS who also cherry-pick verses from the
Quran to sanctify their atrocities.

The argument then goes - Christianity good -
Islam bad. Christians good- Muslims - bad.
Forgetting the atrocities also committed
by Christians. Atrocities like - the Inquisition,
Crusades, witch trails, slavery, Pogroms,
segregation, Native American cleansing,
Bosnia Genocide in 1992, the ongoing civil war
in the Central African Republic,
child sexual abuse, and the ongoing
atrocities happening today in
the Central African Republic, where thousand
upon thousands of their Muslim
neighbours are slaughtered.and the shootings
in the USA.

The problem is not Islam or Christianity.
The problem is hate, intolerance,
and fanaticism, and these transcend religion.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 4 January 2016 6:31:24 AM
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Dearest Foxy,

As you suggest, everybody cherry-picks: there are passages in the Old Testament, written 2,500 years ago, and passages in the Koran, practised today, which advocate 'religions of peace', and there are passages which glorify brutality. That's the nature of such books.

It's probably agreed that not all Muslims adhere to the bits of their book which glorify brutality. Still, some may do: sane or not, some people commit brutal acts in the name of their god. I can't recall any Buddhists, Jains, Yazidis or Ahmaddiyahs doing so lately, say in the last five years, but I'll keep looking.

It's also probably conceded that migration now is different from migration fifty, sixty, seventy years ago, when a multitude of infrastructure projects needed relatively unskilled labour in great numbers, and when a massive consumer economy was built on the backs of those workers. But those days are gone: such infrastructure projects, and the manufacturing industries built on them and the needs of their workers, are simply not present now. Australia now needs far better-skilled migrants than it ever did before.

I hope you can agree with me :)

Love,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 4 January 2016 8:08:43 AM
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Dear Joe (Loudmouth),

There are fanatics in all religions.

What I object to is the hate, intolerance
and fanaticism cast at a particular group
living in this country. How would you feel
if every day whatever happened anywhere in
the world you and your religion were demonised
on a daily basis - that had nothing to do with
you - but no matter what the act or by what nut-jobs -
it was always the fault of your religion.

Reclaim Australia are a small minority - yet their
rallies are a perfect example of anti-Islam that attract so
much publicity and there are people who buy into this
nonsense. They are not peaceful rallies either.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 4 January 2016 8:19:15 AM
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