Hi KIllarney,

Fascinating ! Your comment that

" .... this is a reverse projection of the very same imperial mindset that gives rise to blowback. That is ... to use terrorism to excuse imperialism and to claim that victims of imperialism deserve what they get. In other words - because terrorists are attacking one another and attacking us, they deserve to have their economies destabilised, their countries bombed, invaded and occupied, and their governments overthrown."

could more easily be turned around: Islamist terrorism has a very long history, which has little to do with any imperialism, and certainly not - apart from Bush's dick-brained attack on Iraq - in a way which provoked Islamist terrorism.

Turned around, in the sense, that the pseudo-left can excuse the most vile terrorism by attributing its origins to some sort of imperialist puppet-masters, pulling the strings of ISIS and Boko Haram etc. No, K8llrney, they are their own masters, the products of Islam far more than of the West.

Apart from that, where does all that blaming get us ? ISIS is pulling together all the various Islamist terrorist groups around the world - well, at least from north-west Africa across to the Philippines, and they are doing it by citing the Koran, i.e. by using Islam. Whatever the Yanks have done is small beer by comparison, but very useful for finding someone or something to blame for unspeakable acts of brutality.

In an article today, a woman has been mutilated and killed in Raqqa for trying to breast-feed her baby on a street. No doubt, you could find some way to blame the West for that.

But why should we worry, ay, Killarney: it's a long way away, in a region that we don't have much to do with, and with funny names ?

Joe

Some blindingly obvious excuses debunked:

The Moslem jihad of which ISIS is a part is not against imperialism. It’s against unbelievers. Us.
How do we know? They say so themselves in their Koran [1] and on social media. They say so by executing unbelievers (not imperialists) en masse.

Imperialism is not against Islam. It is against regimes impeding colonial aims. How do we know? Libya, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Palestine. And they say so themselves (Bush, Bliar, Obama).

Imperialism is not seeking to impose democracy anywhere. How do we know? It never has. The regimes it seeks to depose range from secular to theocratic.

Thus attempts to exculpate one evil by pointing at the other are LIES.

Re Tamils and Kurds and the populations of eastern Ukraine, Jaffna, Kurdish regions in Turkey, East Turkistan, West Papua, Palestine - their struggles are for self-determination, a right enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter [2]. This right has been opposed and those seeking it vilified by every Australian government and Opposition in our history, outlawing those pressing for it as “terrorists”.

[1] http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

[2] http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/self_determination_international_la

Waleed Aly is not the only person giving a
different perspective to the usual hipe
being espoused by shock jocks, some of
the media, and some newspaper columnists
and politicians trying to garner votes
from a select few.

Here is an article that's worth a read:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-more-we-fear-islam-the-greater-the-danger-from-terrorists-20150515-gh2pvy.html

Fox,

That 'new perspective' you recommended must apply to others and not to your Teflon-coated self.

Instead of re-posting that tired link you might have tried to dispel the arguments put forward by the two posters before you.

Criticising Islam is not 'islamophobia' and protecting our way of life and life itself is not 'racism'.

What you and other apologists need to explain is why Islam gives rise to similar behaviour and atrocities regardless of how welcoming and understanding the host nation is and they commit the same and damned worse offences in their countries of origin.

Secondly, it isn't just the men, women are implicated too as a poster has already mentioned.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3377183/Mother-mutilated-murdered-ISIS-breastfeeding-baby-public-woman-spotted-child-burkha-Syria.html

BTW, what does the moral BS artist Waleed Wally(Aly) say about that? Were those women who tortured and murdered that breastfeeding mother 'misunderstood' by the society around them?

Maybe they WERE misunderstood. If our society understood their ilk we would chuck them out.

otb,

All I am doing is trying to point out different
perspectives on the topic. It's an occupational
habit. As I've stated earlier - all of us have
our opinions, all of us have our prejudices.
There is so much on the web on this subject
from a variety of sources.

It is natural to develop prejudices.

It is noble to rise above them.

You keep harping on about the same thing and
going back to previous arguments. That is rarely
productive. You merely end up going around in
circles.

I have no further wish to argue with you.