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U obviously don't watch the national broadcasters. The left have a mortgage over hatred. They are Christophobic, hate middle age straight white men and despise having their failed dogmas exposed. I noticed the absence of reporting the Slovenia vote on 'gay' marriage. Ireland was front of stage for days. Such balance!

Sneers about the Murdoch Press and shock jocks and the historical and current depredations of other religions are attempts by appeasers to divert attention from the one religion that is being frantically appeased in the Western world including Australia and which is on the march right now with a worldwide rash of the vilest atrocities.

This one religion has proclaimed itself in its own holy books as well as its physical threats as a deadly enemy of human rights and the values of the Enlightenment on which our freedom rests.

It's not that we haven't seen any of this before. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in the 1920s, seized power in the 1930s, and had the world by the throat in the 1940s. Throughout that time the sneering voice of appeasement was rising to a clamour and governing the official policies of the free world just like the voices and policies of appeasement of Islam today.

And in case anyone grasps for Godwin’s Law to distract from recollection of this 50-plus-megadeath lesson on the fruits of appeasement, see what Mike Godwin himself warns about use and misuse of his “law” [1] We should never forget Harry Truman’s law: “When a finger appears under the door jump on it or it will be followed by a hand and go for your throat”.

[1] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law

Posted by EmperorJulian, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 12:26:52 AM

" ... To address Islam without appeasement, one needs to discard some false assumptions.

1. The assumption that the Koran is about imaginary spooks in the sky. FALSE. It is written as a set of worldly instructions for the faithful because it IS a set of worldly instructions for the faithful.[1] ... "

Well, the Al-Quoran details Mohammed's self proclaimed experience with an entity he believed to be the "Arch Angel Gabrielle," if I do not misrecall. So, depending on how you define "imaginary spooks in the sky" I would say that it is very much about that.

What you are perhaps referring to are the separate writings which accompany the Al-Quoran. I don't recall what they are called but perhaps the "Hadeeth" and something else.

It is in these other texts that you find some of the day to day instructions as you put it.

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However, one of the important things that you need to recognise is that there is a lot in the way of separate cultural issues interwoven into what some of you think of as "religion."

When considering the state of the Arabian world generally I would have to conclude that what is plainly missing is the Mohammed factor, as there is no one to which they all turn. No one that they all respect.

And they have taken to fighting amongst themselves much as they did in the times before the Prophet.

It's always both illuminating and depressing to read comments from people who genuinely believe that the chaos, carnage and destruction inflicted on Islamic nations over the last 20+ years is all because of 1500-year-old definitive texts in the Koran and/or because Islamic peoples are incapable of getting on with one another.

Reality check: The West has been occupying, destabilising, overthrowing, invading and bombing Islamic countries for the best part of 100 years. The justification almost always follows the same trope: Crazy madmen are ruling these countries, so we oh so benevolent and superior people of the West have a moral duty to help these inferior people of the Middle East to live the superior and intelligent lifestyles that we in the West are living. If we have to destroy their countries in the process ... well, one day they'll thank us for that.

Now, despite all our benevolent interference, they insist on killing people at Parisian rock concerts and in London subways to protest the fact that they are not happy about all this benevolent Western interference, well that just shows that they just don't appreciate all we've done for them and what inferior people they really are.

I guess we've just got to keep on occupying, destabilising, overthrowing, invading and bombing their countries until they get the message. We really love them and so want to help them. We are the good guys.

Hi Killarney,

I guess you now feel really truly superior for writing all that - that you are one of the Precious Few who really knows about the dreadful evils of your 'own' and the dumb innocence of the 'Other' ? That because of their dumb innocence, terrorists can butcher 130 innocent people at random ? We should forgive them because they are too undeveloped to really have any grasp on the sanctity of human life ?

Karl Popper suggests that, instead of seeing ourselves as incredibly clever but evil, what if we thought in terms of ourselves being not particularly evil but a bit stupid (his word) ? Try that.

As for the unimaginable brutalities of the West over the last twenty years, (what, only twenty ?! Ah, the young are so touchingly naive), remember that Islam has been built on brutal conquest ever since the 620s. Fourteen hundred years of brutal suppression, slavery and despotism, from the shores of the Atlantic to those of the Pacific and Indian oceans: expansion by the sword.

I don't know about 'crazy madmen' having absolute power, I think it's more likely that most Muslim despots have been perfectly sane and intelligent: they have had to rule over vast, disparate, Empires by force, although, granted, many of the Empires didn't last all that long, but were supplanted by yet another brutal Muslim Empire: live by the sword, die by the sword. Not too many Sultans and Emperors seem to have died of old age in their beds.

Perhaps you could try tackling the issues instead of trying to trivialise them. Leave that to Charlie Pickering. Stupid boy.

Joe

Killarney,

"The West has been occupying, destabilising, overthrowing, invading and bombing Islamic countries for the best part of 100 years."

Actually, closer to 200 years, however, any attempt to blame the wicked Western imperialists for the oppressive, chaotic and backward nature of majority Muslim societies is misguided to say the least, sectarian violence is nearly as old as Islam itself. Muslim societies were 500 years behind the West and their internal rivalries made the task of the European invaders so much easier.

"1500-year-old definitive texts in the Koran and/or because Islamic peoples are incapable of getting on with one another."

Some commenters take a theological approach, others don't. One practical test of the Islamic ideology is simply to consider the nature of majority Muslim nations, all fall far short of the usual standards of liberal democracies.

Of course Western intervention in the NE is indefensible, however anyone familiar with the history of Islam would consider the assumption that the jihad would vanish just because Western countries stopped their 'interventions' in the region, to be extremely naive, or perhaps just a conceit.

Some Muslim supremacists would continue to use terror or coercion to impose Islam, as they have for 1400 years.