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Islam in the big picture : Comments

By Syd Hickman, published 15/12/2015

Tony Abbott's call for a reformation within Islam demonstrates his lack of historical comprehension.

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To Susie.

I rarely read DavidF, DavidG, or Arjay, because I think that they are all dribbling loonies. Their views are so extreme that even Hitler, Pol Pot, Osama bin Laden, and Stalin would consider them extremists.

The reason I always bash your intelligence is to make you think. I am convinced that most trendy lefties like your good self simply parrot the slogans of multiculturalism because you have been conditioned to believe that this is what "intelligent" people do. Your compulsive need to think that you are "intelligent" has forced you to accept a fanciful Kumbaya ideology that you have never thought about objectively. In this, you are no different to those "believers" who accept religious ideologies that are contrary to the laws of physics.

Your premise that all religions are the root of all evil is not quite right. Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot were all atheists. Their religion was socialism. Your religion is multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is causing most wars around the globe at this time. The fact that two cultures with diametrically opposed value systems can not exist peacefully in the one territory, where immigration or birth rate differentials threaten the primacy of one culture, is as immutable as the Law of Gravity. But you want to "believe" that it can be done.

So I have to keep reminding you of how dumb your thinking is, in the hope that it might get you to think straight. It happened to me. I was a trendy too until I realised that it was an ideology not only full of contradictions, it depended upon portraying my own race as the world's greatest criminals.

Races are not equal Cultures are not equal. Religions are not equal. . Individual people are not equal, not in intelligence, physical beauty, physical ability, or personality. All can be judged better or worse than others, depending upon your point of view. If the ideology you advocate to create world peace depends on everybody being equal, then you are believing in an ideology that is just as illogical as any religion.
Posted by LEGO, Thursday, 17 December 2015 3:20:48 AM
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Another apologia for mass murderers, but then the Left are past masters.
Posted by McCackie, Thursday, 17 December 2015 6:53:58 AM
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Suzi "As I have said, I think all religions and Gods are man-made creations, designed by old men to ensure they control their follower's lives." Spot on. It is a pity that Runner doesn't agree, but he can't think for himself on matters of religion, like a lot of people on OLO.

Lego. You are wrong about Hitler, he was actually a devout Catholic and not on unfriendly terms with the then Pope.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Thursday, 17 December 2015 8:01:50 AM
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Wrong again LEGO. Multiculturalism does not cause wars, people cause wars.
And they go to war because of disputes over land, resources and religion.

Australia is one of the most successful multicultural countries in the world, and we haven't been a warring nation as such for some time have we? People like the Israelis and Palestinians have been killing each other regularly for centuries...over land. There is not much multiculturalism happening in Israel, that's for sure.

I dislike pigeon-holing people as 'leftists' and 'righties' etc, because that means they can only hold some certain rigid views on subjects. I have always voted for the National party, so I don't think that puts me as a 'leftie'. I am also not certain that climate change is man-made, but I am keen to see pollution decrease, and polluters pay a price.
So what 'hole' should I fit in?
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 17 December 2015 10:45:17 AM
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There’s a Chinese saying: “Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me.”

It was already known how Bush 1 orchestrated Gulf War 1.

Jean Edward Smith wrote “George Bush's War” which tells the story. When the liars and war criminals, Bush 2, Blair and Howard tried to frighten their countries into Gulf War 2 a lot of people knew enough not to be fooled twice and marched in their thousands in protest. However, the criminals had their war, and we’re still suffering from it. The warmongers built up a tinpot dictator who was not a menace to the US, the UK and Australia into an avatar of Hitler.

If you want to believe that brutal, expensive, disastrous and unnecessary war was justified go ahead. Shame on you.

Dear Lego,

The important thing is not whether Christians follow their teaching or whether Muslims follow their teaching. The important thing is what they do. In the Christian nonsense there is a nugget of good sense:

Matthew 7:16 (KJV) Ye shall know them by their fruits...

Christians define themselves not by what Scripture says but by what they do. That's how we all define ourselves.

The flaw in both Christianity and Islam is that they both believe they have the truth and therefore have an obligation to put their truth on others. That is the prime source of the problem of both missionary religions. When one thinks one has the truth one becomes intolerant of those who don’t accept it.

Don’t worry about whether others believe what you do or not. Just act decently toward them and they will probably act decently toward you.

Ghosts and gods exist only in human imagination. The idea that a virgin was impregnated by a ghost is nonsense, and the idea that God gave an illiterate camel driver the word is also nonsense.

Both religions are nonsense. Ttreat all human beings with dignity and respect if you can. Sometimes you can’t and survive.

Why argue about the merits of two kinds of nonsense? Belief in nonsense rots the mind. Don’t follow either.
Posted by david f, Thursday, 17 December 2015 3:11:06 PM
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Suseonline, "I have always voted for the National party..So what 'hole' should I fit in?"

Time to buff up that image?

You do come across as a self-loathing green leftist.

Maybe you just don't know what you want and are just stirring, striking back at the nameless few who have harmed you some way in the past.

Then again, life is rather protected, comfy and routine in far-off Fremantle or thereabouts, where you have been shielded so far from the negative consequences of the Green leftist policies you have promoted for yonks on OLO.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 17 December 2015 3:14:05 PM
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