"news.com.au" does not even have the right approach to islam yet. ISIS are moderate muslims, they are interpreting islamic scripture correctly.

"Deception in Islam: Taqiyya, Tawriya, Kitman and Muruna"

"Your humble scribe has written on several occasions over the past few months about Taqiyya – a religiously-sanctioned doctrine of lies and deceit – and how Muslims routinely use it in order to deceive non-Muslims about the true nature of Islam. It is not widely known (although it should be) that Muslims are permitted to lie in order to promote Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or to prevent its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims, even under oath in a British court of law,"

http://brennerbrief.com/deception-islam-taqiyya-tawriya-kitman-muruna/

NO Australian child will be safe until ALL muslims have been deported & ALL atheistic, secular, ANTI-socialist ANTI-humanists have been jailed or deported.

Lol Imacentristmoderate, you forgot your hated favorites in your list of deportees, the infamous Reds Under The Bed!
It must be very crowded under your imaginary bed?

imacentristmoderate, you will have to forgive Suze, she is our resident supporter of all humane rights, regardless of any threat they may pose. A typical re-active approach to terrorism, 'lets wait until we have a serious attack, then perhaps we will act', no guarantees there either.

The truth is, according to history in all countries they have resided in, Muslim leaders CAN NOT control the radicals within so the only approach is to rid our nation of anything that resembles Islam.

How long is it before we turn on the news to find a young child extremist here in our country has blown themselves up in a crowded class room.

We either act or wait. Sadly the only option taken up thus far is to wait.

The nice little chat depicted here is all very well, but it is still the same talk, talk, and more talk we constantly hear from Western 'leaders' who seem to have forgotten that their prime role is to protect us and our world.

The 'sledgehammer' mentioned is just the berries for the job. It's kill or be killed: nothing more, nothing less. We cannot treat with lunatics who hate us and want nothing more than to wipe us out. Stop the talk. Do the business.

I was just thinking how the 9/11 islamists actually flew a plane at a target. You can only do that once as in future plane passengers will not sit down but just attack and Governments will shoot planes full of passengers down rather than suffer a repeat of 9/11.
Now what can the islamists do? I reckon a small nuclear device set off in a city.
Then all the lefties will be swept aside and we will deal with islam in the West. There will be no mosques and no muslims. Stay as agnostic or go as a muslim to a muslim country.

"Unfortunately for those of us standing with the victims of terror, "moderate" is a term of marginal utility, and "moderate violence" is relative."

Agreed, Jonathan, however I'd take the criticism further, 'moderate' is in fact misleading, people have a naive tendency to project modern liberal democratic values onto the word and to ignore the parameters of the religion. It's a useful tool for Islamic apologists to confuse the issue.
Islam's celebrated history of 'tolerance' is another example of this wishful thinking, certainly, in the past Jews and Orthodox Christians were safer in Islamic societies than in the Catholic West however it was still a very precarious existence and they were subject to many minor and major oppressions.

Another fundamental mistake is to misunderstand 'radicalisation', some Muslims are offended and radicalised simply by living in a Kuffar society, they really do hate us for not sharing their demented superstition and no amount of magic multi-culti pixie dust will make the lightest difference. I noticed a rather complacent comment from an American a few days after the Paris atrocities --because of America's more enlightened attitudes a similar attack was very unlikely in the US, I wonder what his attitude is now.

Our political elites have committed Western societies to an uncontrolled social experiment on the assumption that Islam will be civilised by liberal democracy.

Mac I can't argue with your points, especially the fantasy shared by many Western "leaders" that Islam can be reformed by liberal democracies.

Such attempts at "reform" have failed for 1,400 years. As Albert Einstein once said "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe".

people who think they can reform Islam obviously have no idea of Mohammeds life, example and the Koran. They are usually the same people who totally misrepresent history, Christ, His example and teachings. They live in fairy land and that is why so are gullible enough to accept evolution as 'science'.

Dear Runner,

People can reform Islam by exposing that both the Koran and the stories about Mohammed's life are late fabrications, starting around the year 790, nearly 160 years after Muhammad's death and having very little to do with the actual saint Muhammad who lived in the 6th-7th century.

Hi Yuyutsu
In another post i responded to Joe with a challenge. He is yet to take me up, but given your interest in the Quran, I thought you might like to comment.

Here is the post:

Hi Joe

You asked that I present my views for scrutiny "and if they are solid, they will stand up to scrutiny in discussion with others"

Let's see if you are willing to provide that scrutiny in an objective manner.

Given my background, an appropriate starting point would be the view that the Quran has not been corrupted. By corrupt I mean that there have been changes to the original text over time.

This is a statement which is refutable. Its been done with the Bible. You only need evidence that the version today is not the original. In other words, it has been altered over time.

And I'll put my cards on the table. Refuting this view would undermine my faith, particularly as the Qur'an itself makes a prediction that it will not be corrupted:

"We, Ourselves, have sent down the Dhikr (the Qur’an), and We are there to protect it." 15:9

In reference to this verse, Mufti Taqi Usmani (whose interpretation of the Quran is, I'm told, authoritative) has said: "Here Allah Almighty has taken upon Himself that the Holy Qur'an will remain intact for all times to come, and no one will be able to change it, as it happened with earlier Scriptures" . http://www.maarifulquran.net/

So in refuting this view you would also be proving that the Quran cannot be the word of God (since God does not make false predictions).

Now since you maintain the Quran was the word of illiterate, ignorant and inbred nomads of the desert it should be a relatively straight-forward exercise. You should be feeling relaxed and comfortable with such easy task.

Over to you.....

Dear Grateful,

As a fellow religious person, I will never say anything to undermine your religion.

Science and the people of the world keep asking about facts - "Is it so?", but we religious people, don't have time to spare on such silly questions, we ask instead: "Is it good?"!

From all I have read of you in your posts, I find that following the path of Islam is good for you, that it brings you closer to God, so I urge you to continue in this path and follow your enlightened Sheikh, Nuh Keller, may Allah grant him long life.

If you have questions regarding the Qur'an, better ask your Sheikh than myself, but better still, know that the path of the heart is faster and safer than the path of the mind. Both lead to God, but the latter is harder and more treacherous.

Sing the praises of Allah, in good company if you can, do good deeds in His name, pour out your heart towards Him and if you find it difficult to address Him directly, then do so through His prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

May Allah be constantly in your thoughts, may His name never leave your mind, may you find eternal peace and happiness in Him.