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By Rod McGarvie, published 8/12/2015When will scientists review the underlying assumptions and biases on which their climate change theories and models rely?
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Posted by ant, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 9:01:20 PM
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2015 was the hottest year by far, dwarfing the temperatures of our last big El Nino year of 1998.
Posted by Max Green, Saturday, 2 January 2016 9:47:19 AM
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Max
A very interesting film clip in relation to temperature increase and how it relates to the bell curve; not based on models but actual measured temperature: http://envisionation.co.uk/index.php/presentations Posted by ant, Saturday, 2 January 2016 10:41:06 AM
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The flea demonstrates his incredible ignorance, in labelling my post fallacious. Ad hominem is not fallacious if it goes to the credibility of the argument. I think I referred to Max’s post as “babbling nonsense”.Surely that is sufficient attack on his credibility.
Max is talking about 2015 being the hottest year. Remember when 2014 was the hottest year? “The shameless activism shown by our federal scientists — particularly NASA GISS head Gavin Schmidt — may warrant further inspection by the new GOP Congress.” Read more: http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/01/18/update-feds-conning-the-public-scientists-accuse-nasa-of-misleading-lying-about-hottest-year-claim/#ixzz3w4zELclg How long before the new "hottest year" is found to be another false claim. We certainly need a Royal Commission to expose the climate fraud promoters. Max continues to babble nonsense about a conspiracy, whenever his attention is drawn to blatant misinformation by fraud promoters, because he has no science to justify his position. The flea even refers us to the ratbag Naomi Klein, a non scientist, despite his baseless bleating about wanting advertence to science in this thread. He, and Max have no science to show any measurable effect on climate by human emissions. Global warming stopped almost 19 years ago, so extreme weather events since that cessation are irrelevant for that reason as well. Posted by Leo Lane, Saturday, 2 January 2016 8:31:15 PM
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Leo, you have no credibility left. You accuse everything that doesn't fit your prejudice of being fraud, no matter how strong the evidence for it is. Conversely you assume any evidence that agrees with your prejudice to be true, no matter how flimsy it is. This was epitomised in your citing a blog post that claimed that humans were responsible for only 3% of atmospheric CO2. But the blog post's authors had withdrawn the claim after others had pointed out that 3% was the annual CO2 emissions, not the cumulative figure. Yet you could not bear to admit the truth even when I pointed that out.
The NASA figures did show 2014 to be the hottest year. Yes there's uncertainty, but it was shown to be more likely than any other year to be the hottest. Although 2015 is likely to be considerably hotter. Nobody who understands statistics thinks that "global warming stopped almost 19 years ago". BTW your juvenile insults (calling ant "the flea") don't affect his credibility, but would damage yours if you had any left. Posted by Aidan, Sunday, 3 January 2016 12:22:18 AM
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Leo
A couple of short articles about the fallacy of ad hominem comments: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem In relation to infrared radiation forcing, scientists have been discussing the greenhouse effect for a considerable number of decades. The ARM study shows how extra W/m2 is created. It appears to be very little; however, when W/m2 is multiplied by multi millions of m2 that surround the planet; then, a huge amount of extra energy has been created above equilibrium. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150225132103.htm The clip referenced below shows in graphic form through the use of bell shaped graphs what has been happening in relation to temperature: http://envisionation.co.uk/index.php/presentations The graphs use only observed data. Posted by ant, Sunday, 3 January 2016 5:59:13 AM
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1. Rain over sea ice in the Arctic; its meant to be winter. At buoy 300234062785480 within 4.55 degrees of the North Pole, had temperature rise by 25C in 9 hours on day 363. Rather than use dates, days are numbered so they can easily be compared to previous years. The temperature increased to 1 C above freezing.
2. The Mississippi River is displaying record flood waters; the issue is that it is happening out of the normal flooding season. Big floods happen due to snow melt in Spring or wetter summer months, it is too dry during winter for serious floods.
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"However, this week’s flooding isn’t truly put into perspective until you consider that nearly all of the historic crests along the Mississippi have occurred during the spring melting season or the summer rainy months. Wintertime flooding to this extent is typically not possible simply because there is usually not enough moisture in cold, winter air to support such incredible rainfall totals."
From:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/12/28/historic-and-unseasonable-river-flooding-overwhelms-central-u-s-mississippi-river/
3. There are ski fields in Europe which do not have snow.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/skiing-on-rocks-new-normal-as-climate-change-hits-europes-alpine-resorts-20151229-glwmvn.html
Britain appears as though it is going to be hit once more with huge floods.
In other words a Royal Commission is patently a silly idea; furthermore, ExxonMobil scientists were saying in the 1970s and 1980s that man created climate change is happening. Kenneth Cowan, an ExxonMobil executive when recently interviewed for an American television program stated that management support the view held by their scientists of anthropogenic climate change.