You've got all the (must do) solutions, bar one david; the one which compels Russia/Putin to join in with the rest of the civilised world to bring about planet saving cooperation and true and lasting peace in our time.

When you've worked out how to convert a power mad bloodthirsty dictator like Putin into cooperating for the greater good, please write another piece! We all await with baited breath trembling in anticipation of the next mighty tomb.

Perhaps you could care to carve that one in stone, and serve it with heaping helpings of bread and fish, and served from a single Putin impressing hand carried basket, so we'll finally know who the real author is?

For mine we have the enemies now in the middle east, that must be defeated, Assard, ISIL and an interfering Russia!

Let see how much resolve Russia has if the entire free world just tells them F off and stop interfering, and by the way give the patently purloined Crimea back to the Ukrainians!

Thus far and no farther!

What are we waiting for? Someone to be first to use nuclear weapons in the middle east?
Rhrosty.

Yes certainly

OPTION 1. UN forces should invade Syria, crush ISIS, and say Hello to Assad's dictatorship that runs Damascus, or

OPTION 2. UN Peacekeepers could keep the peace in Syria - if they can find it.

QUESTIONS FOR DAVID:

A. What part would Israel play in OPTIONS 1 or 2? and

B. Might not the UN be concerned about entering a warzone where IS does not play by diplomatic rules? Noting the UN was blown to bits, by radical Islamists in Iraq in 2003 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canal_Hotel_bombing ?

Putin has destroyed most the ISIS in Syria in just a few weeks. Let him finish the job the West refused to do.

If you are wondering why the West is feeling a tad humble read this; http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43531.htm Russia has far more advanced weapon systems than us and more are about to be revealed.

Is becoming well recognised that Islamic State is basically a creation of other countries to fight their proxy wars. Especially the USA, UK, Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar who have been caught out supporting IS. Seems some truth in comments I recently saw from a US academic commentator describing it as America's Foreign Legion. Its aim is to destabilise the area and create small failed states where western banksters, corporations and the military can operate with minimal resistance from governments. Also to help the Zionist long term objective of a Greater Israel between the Nile and Euphrates rivers. Note that some Jews, especially the orthodox Neturei Karta who regard a Jewish State as against their religion are among the strongest objectors to the latter idea.

The large amount of damage the Russian military has one to Islamic Stste in the short time since it was invited in by the apparently democratically elected leader Assad (who seems popular among his own people) has shown that the US and allies were largely pretending to fight IS while using it as cover to destroy infrastructure in Syria and Iraq.

Rhosty, Russia needs to part of the solution & could be brought in easily. Just invite Russia into both NATO & the EU.

plantagenet, i hear where you are coming from but how much does western involvement in middle eastern wars cost the long suffering Aussie taxpayer & how many more ANZACs have to die or be wounded?

OPTION 1, the ONLY threat to our safety & security is islamic terrorism right here in the land of OZ. Deport them ASAP & walk away from the middle east forever.

OPTION 2, build a new iron curtain around EVERY majority muslim nation on earth & don't allow any muslims to escape from paradise.

OPTION 3, exterminate every muslim on earth.

OPTION 4, the ugly, awkward, inconvenient truth is that there are NO other options.

Arjay & mox, both true.

Iamacentristmoderate;
Well centain to stir up the apologists.
All the waffle of will we or won't we put boots on the ground is pointless.

My solution is somewhat different.
It should be agreed by as many countries as possible that a resolution
be agreed that ;
Considering history and recent history, it is clear that Islam and the rest of us cannot exist in the same space.
Therefore if we are all to exist on the same planet we need to subdivide this planet.
One division would be all majority Islamic countries.
The other division would be the majority nonmoslem countries.
All residents not in their majority countries should be compulsorily
removed to the other countries of their choice.
All moslem will need to move to the Islamic division to countries of their choice.

These movements could be financed by all states including the Islamic states.
It would take a number of years, but it would remove the Islamic
objection to Christians and other nonmoslems being in their communities.

Once the project was 50% complete all visitor entries would be banned.
Trade could be conducted by electronic means and no business visits allowed.
Aircraft of one division could be allowed to have flight paths across
the other division countries.
Ships of both divisions could have rights to transit the Suez & Panama canals.

Obviously a proposal like this will never be agreed by the left until
there is a major Islamic terrorist attack on many countries, in
particular countries such as Australia. Once they kill a few hundred
Australians there will be a shift in sentiment.
I doubt if the UN has the ability to implement a plan like this and
something like this will come about as a result of a threat to use nuclear weapons.
Islam will see it as a threat to remove the Middle East from the
world scene.

Every time a Muslim youth commits a violent act against Australian families,
Their families should be deported back to a Muslim country.

The terrorists can commit crimes against our families with the knowledge that their family will not suffer for their actions.

Would that 15year old youth have been willing to kill the father of
That family if he had known his own loved ones, his father and mother
And siblings would pay the price by losing their home and lifestyle here
To pay for his actions.

There is simply no strong deterrent to them committing these acts.
Hit them somewhere it hurts.
Like consequences for their own families when they attack ours.

I think that would stop these terrorist attacks
There needs to be consequences that hurt them in an area they care about.

So when IS is defeated America will just create another terrorist organization, after all they created this one.

They need a bogey man to sustain there military industrial complex and so they can print trillion of dollars from thin air which they have absolutely no way of backing up if people cashed in the electronically generated $"s for an actual hard object whether it be land or food etc.

Also so they can prop up the over inflated stock market.

Wait till the bubble bursts.

#Rhrosty

Once again you shoot from the hip without understanding the situation when you state::
"You've got all the (must do) solutions, bar one david; the one which compels Russia/Putin to join in with the rest of the civilised world to bring about planet saving cooperation and true and lasting peace in our time."

Had you read my article carefully before rushing into print you would have understood the purport of this quote by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov:

"The Security Council needs to give preferential attention to the task of creating a solid legal foundation for the fight against this evil [Islamic State] and for the mobilization of an actual global coalition in response to this common uncompromising challenge for us all"

That legal foundation is found in Article 42 of the Charter.

Until such a Resolution is passed concerted international action to defeat Islamic State is a pipe dream.

America seems disinterested in joining in sponsoring such a resolution at the present time. But it needs to happen sooner than later if the events of the last week are any guide.

Hollande hopefully can get Obama to support such a Security Council resolution. Hollande and Putin now seem to have agreed on such a resolution.

#plantaganet:

Option 2 won't happen - at least not until Islamic State has been beaten by a UN authorized fighting force. Probably Russia would veto such a UN peacekeeping force anyway. But one can still live in hope.

Given the UN General Assembly's outright prejudice against Israel - I would imagine the UN would choke before accepting help from Israel in any openly identifiable form. Probably its intelligence on Syria and Islamic State could be quietly used but not troops wearing UN berets.

The UN has no option but to go in with an armed force in my opinion.

The UN exists to end threats to world peace and security and has passed several resolutions stating that Islamic State is such a threat. The UN cannot do anything however until a resolution under article 42 has been passed by the Security Council.

david singer, ISIS is NOT a threat to world peace any more than any other group of muslims. The ONLY threat to world peace is allowing ANY muslim to live outside ANY majority muslim nation. Deport ALL muslims from ALL non muslim nations & we will have no problems any more.

Philip S, Americas financial mess does not mean that islam is not a problem.

CHERFUL, how very old testament of you, i will make an enlightened, conservative christian out of you yet.

Bazz, your plan is fairly similar to mine & i approve.

david singer again, the UN is a busted flush, the sooner it closes down the better off we will be. Q, are you suggesting the department of Foreign Affairs & Trade is incapable of running embassies? That the Commonwealth of Australia is incapable of negotiating treaties for defence & trade with other nations? Leave muslim nations alone, let them kill each other, let them sort out their own differences.

Western interests have only been pretending to destroy Islamic State - and Al Qaeda. They have been covertly sponsoring them for the purpose of providing an excuse to meddle in Middle Eastern affairs , especially to try and influence and financially benefit from oil resources. Russians have been working to stop the movement of stolen Syrian and Iraqi oil into Turkey. Sold cheap and has been major source of finance for IS. Note Turkish Presidents son had business with something like 500 trucks carting this oil. Difficult to assess whether shoot down of Russian bomber was due to this, pressure from Washington or other reason. Anyway, Turks have obviously "shot themselves in the foot" with retaliation options- including subtle ones the Russians have.

Meanwhile Russians are going in harder genuinely destroying Islamic State infrastructure. Not as Yanks and associates have been doing, destroying civilian assets for help facilitate their real aim of overthrowing democratically elected President Assad. eg It seems when they recently claimed to have bombed IS headquarters in Raqqa, what they really hit was an equestrian centre, museum and stadium.

Mix the following may substantiate your claims, very interesting read as well,
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43545.htm
Cheers Geoff

Hi Mox it put Mix in because of my auto-correct, sorry.

Another great read is this http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article43565.htm

Cheers Geoff

It is pleasing to note that Conspiracy Theories are still with us!!

This is a must listen interview by Paul Craig Roberts (ex assistant secretary to the US Treasury). Russia it seems has these superior weapons that can shut down all communications and radar technology of their enemies making them sitting ducks.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7_BY_uZjSY

With the French President and Germany siding with Russia in taking on ISIS in Syria,NATO could well break up ending US hegemony of this planet.This could mean the US wars of imperialism will end.

Erdogan's son isn't just selling oil on behalf of IS, they are also selling the stolen Syrian antiquities as well.
I've heard some have turned up on sale in London.

Is Mise,
At some point (not sure whether it has or hasn't reached a critical threshold yet, but we're close) those who discard conspiracy theory type stories are just uninformed corporate media manipulated idiots that will believe whatever they are told.

At this point in time these peoples opinions are no longer relevant.
These people with their gullible blinkers on view of the world are part of the problem as much as anything.

Not us.

mox, muslims don't need support from anyone to be crazy, their religion does the job just fine.

Is Mise, next you will be telling me the left wing rich don't steal from the poor.

Arjay, great video.

Hey Arjay,
Russia's got a few EW systems.
Did you hear about the USS Donald cook incident in the Black Sea last year?
The Russians shut down the AEGIS systems with their 'Khibiny' system and completely demoralised the crew.
They Americans were there as a show of western power but were sent packing to their Romanian port with their tail between their legs.
I heard some US sailors even wanted to quit the Navy after the incident.

The khibiny system can be seen on the wingtips of the Su-34.
Ive read Russia has also deployed the Krasukha-4 EW system into Syria as well as the S-400's after Turkey shot their jet down.

There's also some other systems I've heard of, Moskva-1 and Rtut-BM and President-S.

These systems are far superior to anything the US has.
http://fortruss.blogspot.com.au/2015/08/nato-russian-electronic-warfare-is.html

- I thought the French just went and used it as an excuse to bomb Syrian infrastucture like the US has been doing for the last year, not exactly sure they are siding with the Russians, Francois demands Assad go as well.
None of them have a right to say what should happen in Syria, its not their country.

I did hear that some other NATO nations have expressed anger at Turkey for starting trouble with the Russians, as well as another unknown NATO member recently expressing concern about Obama's mental health and whether he can be impeached and pushed aside, because they think he's lost his mind.

Yes Armchair I've read what happened to the Donald Cook. The worry is that Russia realising they have the upper hand now, may well put the Western fascists out of our misery. Can they interfere with inter- continental nuclear missiles? The temptation for Putin to put the Western Fascists down for ever must be great.

It is the Western Central Bankers who have always wanted war for power and profit. This time they may have bitten off more than they can chew.

#imacentristmoderate

You state:
" ISIS is NOT a threat to world peace any more than any other group of muslims."

The fifteen member nations in the Security Council unanimously do not agree with you.

They are:
The five permanent members: China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom, and the United States,
and ten non-permanent members elected for two-year terms by the General Assembly (with end of term date):
Angola (2016)
Chad (2015)
Chile (2015)
Jordan (2015)
Lithuania (2015)
Malaysia (2016)
New Zealand (2016)
Nigeria (2015)
Spain (2016)
Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) (2016)

I know whose opinion I would rely on and it certainly is not yours.

The UN is not a busted flush yet - but it could well be if the Security Council does not take action against Islamic State under Article 42 of the UN Charter.

Hey Arjay,
I read yesterday that the S-400's are able to shoot down any helicopter, aircraft or missile travelling at speeds of up to 4.8 kilometers per second but may have trouble with ICBM's as their reentry speed is 6-7 kilometers per second.
So I'm not sure how effective they are.
http://www.rt.com/news/323815-syria-s-400-us-airstrikes/

The S-500 system is due to be deployed next year and specifically designed to intercept incoming ballistic missiles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-500_(missile)

On the other side of the equation the Russians have been developing new ballistic missiles.
The RS-26 'Rubezh' is said to be able to penetrate any existing anti ballistic missile defense system, and may have already been deployed.
http://www.rt.com/news/missile-defense-killer-prototype-411/
http://tass.ru/en/defense/837402
http://tass.ru/en/russia/801022

Yes it must be tempting for him to put them out of our misery.. Lol
Things do seem to be slowly heating up, and who knows where its going to end up.
I fear another World War if the West keeps pushing.

david singer, dear david, thank you for proving me right. The UN is the most corrupt organisation on earth. the truth, the whole truth & nothing but the truth is always the exact opposite of everything it says & does. if they wanted to fix this problem there is only one way, destroy islam totally. offer every muslim on earth an opportunity to stay in their own paradise nations, convert to Christianity, Judaism, be a willing slave in jail or die.

I know whose opinion I would rely on and it certainly is not yours. Your a lawyer, look up "aiding & abetting", treason, sedition, sabotage, fifth column & espionage. Then have a look in the mirror.

if you want proof answer this question. Q, why has Russia not been invited into both NATO & the EU? A, that might actually lead to a happier, healthier, wealthier planet.

Arjay & Armchair Critic, good analysis.

#imamoderatecentrist

Wonderful response - all 15 member States of the Security Council have got it wrong - you have got it right.

What arrogant conceit!

As to why Russia has not joined the EU?

Consider the following:

"As Russia is a European country, it has the right to request becoming a part of the EU. The EU though, in its present form, is nothing Russia wants to join.

The EU began as an economic partnership agreement in the areas of coal & steel largely between Germany and France. This turned later into the EC, the European Community. The EC later turned into the EU. With each change, this organization has become more powerful, and syphoning off more and more sovereign state authority from its members.

Russia is not interested in joining this current form of EU, but it's not the only country with such opinions. Britain is a famous example of being unhappy with the EU, but also the PIGS countries have increasing reservations towards the EU in its current form, as it subverts the sovereignty of the respective nations.

If the EU returns more towards its original conception as a "Europe of Fatherlands", as De Gaulle put it, Russia and other European nations might be more interested in joining.

Several people here mentioned the Russian human rights record, but while it is true that Russia has still a long way to go, situations are improving a lot since Putin became President – the vast majority of human rights violations is tied to the abysmal economic situation from the 90s, from which Russia still hasn't recovered – and the general trends are towards improving human rights situations. Russia is also part of the Council of Europe and signed the European Convention on Human Rights which gives all Russian citizens, who feel their rights being violated, the right to file a lawsuit before the European Court of Human Rights . Russia has, like all other European countries abolished the death penalty."
https://www.quora.com/European-Union/Will-Russia-ever-join-the-EU

Doing some research would go a long way to stop you continuing to making a fool of yourself.

Hey David talking about track records and human rights. Saudi Arabia is the most vile corrupt regimes on the planet that beheads people on a daily basis for minor crimes like religious non belief and the West backs them. Israel does like wise to the Palestinians in more subtle ways. Assad is an elected leader whom the West seeks to depose. Why do they not depose the Saudi fascists ?

The UN is a corrupt organisation, like the World Bank and IMF, all owned by central bankers. How will the UN bring peace to the Middle East when they push for more wars with NATO?

Phillip S

I disagree with your comment that America created this terrorist organisation

Their terrorism is based on pure racial and tribal hatred.
America sought to free them from the rule of Suddam Hussein not understanding
The tribal terrotorial hatred that existed between the Sunni and Shiite tribes.

America blundered in there, but the tribal racial hatred that resulted in the implosion of Iraq and the rise of Isis can be sheeted home to the hatred between the Sunnis and Shiites. Muslim hatred pure and simple.

Imacentristmoderate
Maybe my deterrent to terrorism is based on the Old Testament
You touch my family I'll penalise yours.
But at least I didn't advocate an eye for an eye in the sense of killing in
Retaliation for killing, only the forfeiting of Australian citizenship and comfortable life
here for deportation . These terrorists are prepared to sacrifice their own lives but
They may think twice before hurting their own families whom they love in any way.

There have to be deterrents that work, and I think, you touch Australian families
And we'll make yours suffer is probably one of the only measures that will work.

Anyway why should they have the right to murder our family members and their
Families have total immunity.

It may not fit civil liberties and the law, but it is common sense and it will work.
Common sense or the law?

The US did create IS
http://kingworldnews.com/dr-paul-craig-roberts-11-28-15/

#arjay

Post your evidence to support these disgraceful claims by you:
"Saudi Arabia is the most vile corrupt regimes on the planet that beheads people on a daily basis for minor crimes like religious non belief and the West backs them. Israel does like wise to the Palestinians in more subtle ways."

Amnesty International's figures on executions and beheadings in Saudi Arabia - 175 in the past year -completely discredit your unsubstantiated claims:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-executions-amnesty-international-beheadings-death-sentences-rate-under-king-salman-10470456.html

Saudi Arabia's record on human rights is appalling - but it gets blunted when idiots like you make wildly exaggerated claims that cannot be substantiated.

So far as Israel is concerned what do you mean when claiming "Israel does like wise to the Palestinians in more subtle ways."

Put up or shut up Jew-hater.

Regarding the above accusation of "Jew hater" re expression of opposition to the way the present state of Israel treats Palestinians: Seems to me many Jews are amongst those opposed to policies of the more ruthless of Zionist types that have unfortunately prevailed. In fact some object to the existence of a Jewish state. Including the Neturei Karta, orthodox Jews who maintain it is against their religion. There is /was on www.nkusa.org in a photo of a demonstration by them a placard proclaiming "Israel is not a Jewish State". Anyway, Israel has been caught out along with the USA and Turkey especially supporting Islamic State for their own selfish reasons. For unscrupulous Zionists it is a step towards the long term aim of a large Greater Israel between the Nile and Euphrates rivers by covertly trying to destroy governments representing the people in area they hope to take over.

Amazing, although I would expect as much from Arjay:

The US gave some support for Afghan groups against the Russians in the eighties, groups which later evolved into Islamist terrorist groups. Therefore the US supports ISIS.

Israel comes down hard on murderers stabbing old ladies in the back. Therefore it's as bad as the Saudi regime.

Israel doesn't overthrow the Saudi regime. Therefore Israel supports beheading.

Therefore Jews support ISIS.

It reminds me of a cartoon from years ago:

Step 1: A maths professor has put up a horrendously complex-looking problem for a student.

Step 2: The student writes "A miracle occurs".

Step 3: He then writes, "Therefore x = 3."

The professor comments, "I think you need to be more specific about Step 2."

Some of you paranoid reactionaries may need to be more specific about your Steps 2.

Good on you, David, keep battling against the rubbish :)

Joe

Israel is buying, refining and on-selling Islamic State oil.

Now the BIG question here isn't whether or not it's true.
I mean who cares if Israel is actually buying oil from Islamic State?
As long as it benefits Israel, right?

The BIG issue is that I MUST BE AN ANTI-SEMITE for pointing it out, right?

Read it and weep.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-28/isis-oil-trade-full-frontal-raqqas-rockefellers-bilal-erdogan-krg-crude-and-israel-c

Armchair Critic,

Yes, it's possible that people are slipping over the border from Syria into Israel with little packets of ISIS oil under their jackets. Prove it.

Seriously, do you think that oil tankers could slip through Syrian-government-held territory into the Golan Heights without Assad, the Yanks, the French, the Saudis, even the Russians, and Uncle Tom Cobbley and all, knowing about it ?

You are aware that the Rockefellers are not, and never have been, Jewish, aren't you ? That they are Episcopalians, i.e. Church of England ? Yeah, I know it's a funny name, but it's actually German. From Germanland.

Joe

Not through the Golan Heights... You didn't even read it did you?

AC,

Yes, later I did.

So:

* oil is being sent from some Kurdish areas to Turkish ports.

* ISIS is shipping oil to Turkish ports.

* oil tankers are shipping oil from Turkish ports to Israel, Malta, Europe and elsewhere.

* THEREFORE Israel is supporting ISIS ?

Do you realise how idiotic that string of disconnected statements is ?

Try to think something through before you bother to post, AC.

Joe