Armchaircritic,

Sorry to disappoint, but I am not Jewish. And, I don't like Soros; he is worse than a common or garden socialist like you, he is a nihilist with a lot of money, which he uses to help other nihilists and members of the counter-culture. I will not respond to your insults, but you are typical of those who know nothing about the past, or the present; but still have opinions on what you don't know. I haven't forgotten your ignorant rant about WW1 and 'General Armchaircritic'. You are in no position to diagnose the mental condition of other people, or even have an opinion on what people 'always say'.

PS.

Although I am not Jewish, I am pro-Jewish and pro-Israel. Unlike you, I can empathise with all persecuted and abused people without being one of them. And the Jewish people have always been, and still are the most persecuted and abused people on Earth, and not just by Arabs, Islam and the Nazis, but
by people like you, obviously, and people who call themselves Christians. Jewish people have been kicked out of just about every country that they have tried to live in for two mellennia, including Britain in the Middle Ages. Open a book; learn some history. You try to sound clever but you're far from it. Israel is a brave little country deserving of all the support the Free World can give it against Islamic terrorism. If you had a scrap of intelligence and decency, you would be ashamed by your outrageous comments - not to me,
but to people you know nothing about.

Dear David,

3 items - 3 red herrings.

1) About the Jews, their ancient territories and their conflicts.
2) About the despicable behaviour of Arabs.
3) About the stupidity of Europeans.

I will not be side-tracked into discussing those three groups of people (none of which I'm interested in as a group) - the topic here is Israel and Israel alone.

Holding onto those cursed territories is very bad for Israel. If some Jews want them (yourself I believe included), if they believe that it's good for them, then let that be their own private business, including their own private war with the Arabs over their territorial conflict of interest. Let them try to form their own Jewish state there if that's what they want - but they ought not dump the burden of their territorial ambitions on the state of Israel.

#Yuyutsu

Are you all there?

You state:
"3 items - 3 red herrings.

1) About the Jews, their ancient territories and their conflicts.
2) About the despicable behaviour of Arabs.
3) About the stupidity of Europeans.

I will not be side-tracked into discussing those three groups of people (none of which I'm interested in as a group) - the topic here is Israel and Israel alone."

My response:

The "3 red herrings" were statements made by you - which were:
1. "For Israel to thrive and be a light unto the nations for ages to come, it needs to leave those cursed territories that it took in 1967."
2. You would "lovingly undertake a sacrifice and not buy Israeli products to "convince Israel's leaders to return to Israel's good old borders and good old ways."
3. ""If racist discrimination is what it takes, then so be it and if so, then I would label them "discriminatory and racist in a good way".

You set the agenda by making these statements. Now deal with my responses to those three statements instead of spitting the dummy and running away - unless of course you agree with my comments and are too embarrassed to admit that your statements were ridiculous and inaccurate and should be withdrawn.

Dear David,

1. "For Israel to thrive and be a light unto the nations for ages to come, it needs to leave those cursed territories that it took in 1967."

- That's about Israel.
Not about Jews, not about Arabs and not about Europeans.

Your red-herring was to refer me to Jewish legends.

2. We should lovingly undertake a sacrifice and not buy SOME Israeli products, to convince Israel's leaders to return to Israel's good old borders and good old ways.

- Again, it's about Israel.

Your red-herring was to refer me to Arab atrocities.

3. "If racist discrimination is what it takes, then so be it and if so, then I would label them "discriminatory and racist in a good way"".

- Here I freely admit my mistake: this is about Europe and I was wrong to allow myself to be side-tracked by answering your earlier red-herring question about Europe (which was, "Would you applaud any such regulations as being an impressive show of support for the European Unions's best interest or would you label them as discriminatory and racist?").

David Singer writes:

“Those "cursed territories" are the biblical and ancient homeland and heartland of the Jewish people known as Judea and Samaria by the whole world for 3000 years until 1950.

[snip]

“Jews have valid territorial claims in those "cursed territories" and 350000 Jews have exercised those rights up till now. The refusal of the PLO to accept the right of one single Jew living there in the future is one of the main stumbling blocks to any two state settlement of the Jewish-Arab conflict settlement.”
[ends quotation]

This is not unlike the territorial claims of invading German thieves to stolen territory in Poland. They remained citizens not of Poland but of the German Reich and the Poles chucked them out when they got the chance. What gives the thieves in settlements within occupied Palestine/East Jerusalem such territorial rights? No two state “solution” based on equality would allow one state to determine who the other could or couldn’t accept as a citizen.

But it’s the idea of equality that sticks in the Zionist racists’ craw and keeps any just solution off the table. In most of the civilised world, including the EU, Jews live as equals with everyone else. These are our national homelands, and the “our” includes Jews without it even being necessary to say so. They’re French, or Australian, or British or American etc. What an embarrassment to decent (i.e. loyal and non-racist) Jews must be these claims in their name that they require a homeland plonked in the middle or Palestine.

Just for interest, what would Mr Singer say his own nationality is?