Thank the European Union for caring for Israel's integrity and morality ahead of 150 others - that's tough love and an impressive show of support for Israel's true best interests, to be out of that cursed land which it entered in 1967.

Anti-Semitism and hatred of Israel, and thus, also, the non-Jewish citizens of Israel, cannot be hidden under any guise, as the dropkicks of Europe seem to think. Europe, in its entirety, seems enamoured with National Socialism these days.

#Yuyutsu

Still at it I see but thankfully without using Latin to bolster your nonsensical comment.

You have obviously not taken up your own suggestion to to tell OLO readers to stop reading my articles. You really should.

So nice of you to thank the European Union for caring for Israel's integrity and morality whilst doing nothing to care for the integrity and the morality of people in another 150 areas where territorial disputes currently exist around the world.

Such "tough love and an impressive show of support for Israel's true best interests" by introducing discriminatory and racist labelling laws for Jewish products originating from Judea and Samaria is reprehensible.

Amazing too that European Union has time to even dream up and take this outrageous action as its own boundaries are under attack from millions of Moslem immigrants.

Maybe European Union is taking such action against Israel so it can similarly introduce its own discriminatory and racist laws to deal with the massive Islamic immigration problem that threatens to swamp Europe.

Would you applaud any such regulations as being an impressive show of support for the European Unions's best interest or would you label them as discriminatory and racist?

A ridiculous stance by the EU, who only knows the rationale behind it.

I would think the EU has bigger and more pressing issues to deal with.

It's like the silly "made in Australia" labels, it might be 'made' here, but doesn't necessarily mean it has Australian content, why bother.

Go figure eh!

Don't be shy Yuyutsu.

Buy from http://www.iai.co.il/2013/22031-en/homepage.aspx

or

https://www.elbitsystems.com/elbitmain/

If only we Aussies were so enterprising.

Dear David,

The Europeans need to do just whatever they need to do, no less and no more, in order to protect themselves and their families from a Muslim invasion. If racist discrimination is what it takes, then so be it and if so, then I would label them "discriminatory and racist in a good way". However, I am in no position to call myself an expert who is able to determine what is (and what isn't) needed in their complex situation.

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Dear Plantagenet,

We love Israel and we love its products.

For Israel to thrive and be a light unto the nations for ages to come, it needs to leave those cursed territories that it took in 1967. Till then it may indeed be difficult to forego some of its great products, but that's a sacrifice we should lovingly undertake in order to convince Israel's leaders to return to Israel's good old borders and good old ways.

ttbn,
'Anti-Semite' is a word that has been used to denigrate anyone who holds criticism of Israel and barely has any power anymore.

The people that use it are so mentally retarded that they actually believe slagging someone off and saying they are aligned with Hitler is an acceptable response to genuine Israeli criticisms.

You stated "Europe, in its entirety, seems enamoured with National Socialism these days."

In case you didn't get the memo maybe you should look up your Jewish kin Mr George Soros and his Open Society Foundation and ask him whats going on in Europe.
If you're going to lay blame then maybe you should stop screaming anti-semite like an angry child and pay attention to what your own kind are doing.

http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/people/george-soros

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/02/soros-admits-involvement-in-migrant-crisis-national-borders-are-the-obstacle/

Once again like I just said in another post.
Normal people think all this stuff is bad.
These guys have an agenda and think it is all good.

Yuyutsu,
IMO, Israel will never be a light unto any nation.
Israel is a nation built on conquest, theft, oppression, apartheid and murder.

"The decision to label products from the West Bank is not a step for consumer protection, but will lead to the creation of stigma against Israel..."

People have the right to A/ want to know where their products they buy come from; and B/ decide whether or not they want that product based on where it came from.

Israel should stop trying to control the whole damn world.

The question of whether Israel be stigmatised is not the issue.
Of course they will be, that's the damn aim of BDS which is a legal form of protest, one which the Jews themselves used against Hitler.

The real question is whether or not they deserve that stigmatization for the continued occupation of Palestine and treatment of Palestinians as political pawns.

I say they earned that criticism fair and square.

People that use the word anti-semite are also the same people that use the word Goyim. The real racists.

Hi Yuyutsu

Yes there is certainly much about Israel and its people, to like.

#Yuyutsu

You have lost the plot:

1. "For Israel to thrive and be a light unto the nations for ages to come, it needs to leave those cursed territories that it took in 1967."

Those "cursed territories" are the biblical and ancient homeland and heartland of the Jewish people known as Judea and Samaria by the whole world for 3000 years until 1950.

Those "cursed territories" were occupied by Jews until they were all driven out by the invading armies of six Arab States in 1948 and illegally occupied by Jordan until 1967. Jews had lived there prior to 1948 pursuant to the legal rights vested in them by article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the United Nations Charter.

Jews have valid territorial claims in those "cursed territories" and 350000 Jews have exercised those rights up till now. The refusal of the PLO to accept the right of one single Jew living there in the future is one of the main stumbling blocks to any settlement of the Jewish-Arab conflict settlement.

What for you is the "cursed territories" is for these Jews "the land of milk and honey" as their spectacular agricultural successes and technological feats attest.

2.Oh my Yuyutsu you want to " convince Israel's leaders to return to Israel's good old borders and good old ways."

(a) There are no borders - only 1949 armistice lines. Do you understand the difference.

(b) What are "the good old ways"?
(i) the 1920 Arab riots?
(ii) the 1929 Hebron massacre of the Jewish population?
(iii) the Arab riots of 1936-1939?
(iv) The 1939 British White Paper?
(v) Closing the Suez Canal?
(vi)Closing the Straits of Tiran?
(vii) the Six Day War?

3."If racist discrimination is what it takes, then so be it and if so, then I would label them "discriminatory and racist in a good way".

What a load of piffle.

The European Union has been well and truly hoisted on its own petard - devoting more time to denigrating and delegitimising Israel than looking after its own backyard and borders.

Wake up Yuyutsu.

#Armchair Critic

Thanks for making your anti-Semitic (I prefer to call it "Jew-hatred") credentials quite clear. Wear that badge with the dishonour and condemnation it deserves.

You are up there in the big league with the European Union whose labeling laws for Jewish products originating from the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) disclose the three classic prerequisites for identifying anti-Semites:
1. Double standards
2. Denigration
3. Discrimination.

Within Europe alone there are territorial disputes involving territories between the following countries:
1. Spain-Portugal
2. Croatia - Serbia
3. Slovenia - Croatia
4. Bosnia and Herzegovina - Serbia
5. Macedonia - Greece - Bulgaria - Albania

Has the EU passed any labeling regulations for products issuing from these disputed territories so that -as you state -"People have the right to A/ want to know where their products they buy come from; and B/ decide whether or not they want that product based on where it came from."?

Whilst the European Union applies such double standards, discriminates in this fashion against Israel and denigrates the legal right of Jews to live in the West Bank (Judea and Samaria) then it too will display its soiled anti-Semitic underwear to public scrutiny.

French philosopher Bernard-Henri Levy warned the UN in January:
“a world in which once again Jews would become scapegoats for all people’s fears, would be a world in which the free could not breathe easy and in which the enslaved would be even more enslaved.”

Europe has still not learnt the lesson of where anti-semitism led it in World War 2 - neither have you.

Get off your Armchair and take a look at yourself in the mirror and see if you like the ugly face of Jew-hatred that confronts your very existence every waking day.

Even better - post your real name and address - so I will know how to label you if we ever meet.

Armchaircritic,

Sorry to disappoint, but I am not Jewish. And, I don't like Soros; he is worse than a common or garden socialist like you, he is a nihilist with a lot of money, which he uses to help other nihilists and members of the counter-culture. I will not respond to your insults, but you are typical of those who know nothing about the past, or the present; but still have opinions on what you don't know. I haven't forgotten your ignorant rant about WW1 and 'General Armchaircritic'. You are in no position to diagnose the mental condition of other people, or even have an opinion on what people 'always say'.

PS.

Although I am not Jewish, I am pro-Jewish and pro-Israel. Unlike you, I can empathise with all persecuted and abused people without being one of them. And the Jewish people have always been, and still are the most persecuted and abused people on Earth, and not just by Arabs, Islam and the Nazis, but
by people like you, obviously, and people who call themselves Christians. Jewish people have been kicked out of just about every country that they have tried to live in for two mellennia, including Britain in the Middle Ages. Open a book; learn some history. You try to sound clever but you're far from it. Israel is a brave little country deserving of all the support the Free World can give it against Islamic terrorism. If you had a scrap of intelligence and decency, you would be ashamed by your outrageous comments - not to me,
but to people you know nothing about.

Dear David,

3 items - 3 red herrings.

1) About the Jews, their ancient territories and their conflicts.
2) About the despicable behaviour of Arabs.
3) About the stupidity of Europeans.

I will not be side-tracked into discussing those three groups of people (none of which I'm interested in as a group) - the topic here is Israel and Israel alone.

Holding onto those cursed territories is very bad for Israel. If some Jews want them (yourself I believe included), if they believe that it's good for them, then let that be their own private business, including their own private war with the Arabs over their territorial conflict of interest. Let them try to form their own Jewish state there if that's what they want - but they ought not dump the burden of their territorial ambitions on the state of Israel.

#Yuyutsu

Are you all there?

You state:
"3 items - 3 red herrings.

1) About the Jews, their ancient territories and their conflicts.
2) About the despicable behaviour of Arabs.
3) About the stupidity of Europeans.

I will not be side-tracked into discussing those three groups of people (none of which I'm interested in as a group) - the topic here is Israel and Israel alone."

My response:

The "3 red herrings" were statements made by you - which were:
1. "For Israel to thrive and be a light unto the nations for ages to come, it needs to leave those cursed territories that it took in 1967."
2. You would "lovingly undertake a sacrifice and not buy Israeli products to "convince Israel's leaders to return to Israel's good old borders and good old ways."
3. ""If racist discrimination is what it takes, then so be it and if so, then I would label them "discriminatory and racist in a good way".

You set the agenda by making these statements. Now deal with my responses to those three statements instead of spitting the dummy and running away - unless of course you agree with my comments and are too embarrassed to admit that your statements were ridiculous and inaccurate and should be withdrawn.

Dear David,

1. "For Israel to thrive and be a light unto the nations for ages to come, it needs to leave those cursed territories that it took in 1967."

- That's about Israel.
Not about Jews, not about Arabs and not about Europeans.

Your red-herring was to refer me to Jewish legends.

2. We should lovingly undertake a sacrifice and not buy SOME Israeli products, to convince Israel's leaders to return to Israel's good old borders and good old ways.

- Again, it's about Israel.

Your red-herring was to refer me to Arab atrocities.

3. "If racist discrimination is what it takes, then so be it and if so, then I would label them "discriminatory and racist in a good way"".

- Here I freely admit my mistake: this is about Europe and I was wrong to allow myself to be side-tracked by answering your earlier red-herring question about Europe (which was, "Would you applaud any such regulations as being an impressive show of support for the European Unions's best interest or would you label them as discriminatory and racist?").

David Singer writes:

“Those "cursed territories" are the biblical and ancient homeland and heartland of the Jewish people known as Judea and Samaria by the whole world for 3000 years until 1950.

[snip]

“Jews have valid territorial claims in those "cursed territories" and 350000 Jews have exercised those rights up till now. The refusal of the PLO to accept the right of one single Jew living there in the future is one of the main stumbling blocks to any two state settlement of the Jewish-Arab conflict settlement.”
[ends quotation]

This is not unlike the territorial claims of invading German thieves to stolen territory in Poland. They remained citizens not of Poland but of the German Reich and the Poles chucked them out when they got the chance. What gives the thieves in settlements within occupied Palestine/East Jerusalem such territorial rights? No two state “solution” based on equality would allow one state to determine who the other could or couldn’t accept as a citizen.

But it’s the idea of equality that sticks in the Zionist racists’ craw and keeps any just solution off the table. In most of the civilised world, including the EU, Jews live as equals with everyone else. These are our national homelands, and the “our” includes Jews without it even being necessary to say so. They’re French, or Australian, or British or American etc. What an embarrassment to decent (i.e. loyal and non-racist) Jews must be these claims in their name that they require a homeland plonked in the middle or Palestine.

Just for interest, what would Mr Singer say his own nationality is?

#Yuyutsu

In response to your numbered replies:

1. God forbid the words "Jews" and "Jewish State" are mentioned.
You cannot talk about what Israel "took in 1967" without talking about what Jordan "took in 1948" when it kicked out every single Jew living in the West Bank and Egypt did the same thing to every Jew living in Gaza.

These are not "Jewish legends" - they are facts that you do not want to acknowledge.

2. It was you who was urging a boycott to get Israel to return to the "good old borders and good old ways."

When I point out there were no good old borders and the good old ways involved the killing of Jews in massacre after massacre - you just bury your head in the sand again. Pathetic.

3. At least you acknowledge the error of your comments that there can be "good" and "bad" racism and discrimination. Well done.

#Geoff of Perth:

Have you emerged from hibernating under your rock of anonymity for the Australian summer?

Your comments are still as dumb as ever:

Comparing Israel's claims in the West Bank to " the territorial claims of invading German thieves to stolen territory in Poland" is laughable.

Israel's claims are based on legal rights vested in the Jewish people to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in the West Bank pursuant to article 6 of the Mandate for Palestine and article 80 of the United Nations Charter.

It is this settled international law that "gives the thieves in settlements within occupied Palestine/East Jerusalem such territorial rights"

The PLO, Hamas, Geoff of Perth and many other anonymous Jew-haters commenting on my articles don't like this international law thrown in their face - so choose to not respect or recognise those decisions and make the kind of stupid abusive claims as in your current post. Rejection will get you all nowhere - as events of the last 100 years have shown.

Dear David,

1. Though I have my personal views on the matter, I will not be diverted to discuss how true or otherwise those Jewish legends are. The topic is Israel, not Jews.

The poor behaviour of Jordan and Egypt towards Jews should indeed weigh on their conscience, but we aren't discussing here how to fix the Arabs' internal and moral problems, are we?

2. The good old borders and good old ways pertain to Israel and to Israel alone. Nothing to do with Arabs and their massacres of Jews - which is a complete red-herring. If you like to discuss how Arabs can repair their conscience, then better start a new topic.

3. All I acknowledged was that I was carried away by your question off the topic - it was my mistake and I hope not to repeat it.