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Paris Jihad: will of Allah or blasphemy? : Comments

By Rodney Crisp, published 24/11/2015

How is it possible to brainwash so many young people to the extent that they willingly transform themselves into human bombs?

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The author states - Ms Bouzar insists on the importance of the role of the parents in the effort to un-indoctrinate their children. She esteems that the parents have to do 60% of the work.

Parent’s role in bringing up children to show respect, compassion, morals and caring to all cultures should be 100%.

Children don’t know the word “racism” when they start school, children just want to play with one another and make friends, no matter what race, colour or religion their classmates/friends are.

These same children grow up, now able to read, exposed to all media outlets and are influenced by information/idealogies obtained from the “world wide web”.

Some of these same children – now teenagers – start changing and/or become radicalised into a life of extreme hate of any Western Culture, and look to ISIS as the supreme “one” to follow – to the death, and in the name of their Allah.

So what happened to these “lost” children of Australia - our next generation – in turning their collective backs on
Western Culture and civilisation, in order to support an idealism which is abhorrent to normal “human beings”.

Was it lack of family support? Were they bullied at school or at home – and felt isolated? Did they go to Mosques and were preached “hatred” to all Western Cultures by Imams? – who knows.

Statistics state the average age for youths being radicalised being 18 to 26 years.

What is not assisting us (Government and Australians who welcome all immigrants, religions and cultures who wish to live in peace) in un-radicalising these youths –

Hizb ut-Tahrir – who states – “Sydney Muslims should shun government counter terrorism programs and disrupt police investigations. The Sydney based organisation claimed the federal government was forcing them to become “Aussie Muslims”. The government targets the Muslim community under the guise of counter terrorism policy, seeking to mould the community in the way it wants – a way unacceptable to Muslims” he said. Quote Daily Telegraph 3/11/2015.

In the name of “what” religion/idealogies does he preach to the “faithful?”
Posted by SAINTS, Friday, 4 December 2015 6:45:45 PM
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Continued …

Australians support our Government, agencies and Police personnel in counter terrorism programs/activities in order to keep all Australians safe from terrorism attacks.

Aussies ask the obvious question – why is this “so called” Islamic organisation not shut down. What further message/evidence does the Government want/need, in order to act.

Australian Government has currently spent $47M to agencies in assisting to un-radicalise muslim youth.

What doesn’t help is the following words – Daily Telegraph 2/12/2015 – I quote

“Muslim youth who have been charged with terrorism offences or targeted in recent counter-terrorism raids are merely teenagers being teenagers, a university lecturer has told an Islam Conference. Psychcentral NSW’s Hanan Dover said the young men, arrested in the counter-terrorism raids following the shooting death of NSW Police employee Curtis Cheng and previous raids across Sydney and Melbourne, were targeted because of their natural teenage way of “acting out” and that their normal “teenage speak” was being criminalised”. What the?

So, in essence, she is basically saying that the shooting of Mr Curtis Cheng by a 15 year old was “teenager speak" acting out - outrageous and disprectful (on all levels) comment.

Government - and we as taxpayers - give $47M to organisations such as this…..shameful.

Time for Australia to wake up, am over the adage of "political correctness, when we are speaking of Australians in protecting our culture and way of life
Posted by SAINTS, Friday, 4 December 2015 6:47:30 PM
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Dear SAINTS,

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You wrote :

« Aussies ask the obvious question – why is this “so called” Islamic organisation not shut down. What further message/evidence does the Government want/need, in order to act »
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Good question, SAINTS. The French government has just shut down 3 mosques in France and dissolved "three pseudo-cultural associations" that were operating one of them in a suburb of Paris, under the “State of Emergency” laws in force following the recent Paris terrorist attacks :

http://www.thelocal.fr/20151202/france-forces-closure-of-three-radical-mosques

Not surprisingly, there has been some “collateral damage” during some of these police raids :

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/12/3/state_of_emergency_in_france_2

Aljazeera reports as follows :

"According to official figures and our discussions with the interior ministry, between 100 and 160 more mosques will be closed because they are run illegally without proper licenses, they preach hatred, or use takfiri speech," he said :

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/france-100-mosques-close-151202142023319.html

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 4 December 2015 10:45:08 PM
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Hi Banjo

Yes, I had read those URL’s – very interesting reading.

One doesn’t need to be the sharpest tool in the shed to wonder if any young Aussie kids are being brainwashed/radicalised in mosques here.

One only has to read any daily newspaper, and/or your local newspaper to follow news.

It’s time the Grand Mufti of Australia sent a strong message to all Imams condemning all acts of terrorism committed in the name of Islamic religion.

The Grand Mufti should also call a meeting/conference of all Imams across Australia ensuring his Imams are preaching in all mosques - the religion of Islam is a religion of peace.

If he can’t, won’t, not interested in calling a meeting of all Imams thus ensuring his followers are being instructed with the correct message of Islam, he should step down.

There are several Imams who have spoken out condemning all acts of terrorism. They say terrorism is not the message of the Koran.

Time for one of these Imams to move up to Grand Mufti status.
Posted by SAINTS, Saturday, 5 December 2015 7:46:45 PM
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Dear SAINTS,

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Ypu wrote :

« It’s time the Grand Mufti of Australia sent a strong message to all Imams condemning all acts of terrorism committed in the name of Islamic religion »
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I understand that one of the problems with the Islamic church is its lack of hierarchical organisation. Whoever the Grand Mufti happens to be, as things stand today, he may not necessarily have the authority to enforce any such “strong message”.

This has been a problem in France with its 6 million Muslim population. The government has been putting a lot of pressure on the various Muslim organisations, mosques and their leaders to make the church autocephalous and exercise effective control over its members.

The government has already expelled a large number of radical imams from the country, closed down mosques and dissolved their organisations.

It’s still work in progress but, from what I can gather, on the whole, the Muslim community seems to approve the government’s action. Moderate Muslims and their families have been suffering as much, if not more, from the Muslim extremists as Catholics, Jews or any other non-Muslims.

I don’t know if the Islamic church in Australia is autocephalous or not or if the Grand Mufti has any real control over the local clergy or not, but it is up to the Australian government to make it clear to the church leaders and their organisations that it is in their best interests to control what happens within their organisation and to report any sign of extremist or radical language or behaviour to the police immediately.

Lives can be saved now. There is no time to lose. Now is the time to act.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Sunday, 6 December 2015 10:24:08 AM
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Hi Banjo

You said -

"I understand that one of the problems with the Islamic church is its lack of hierarchical organisation. Whoever the Grand Mufti happens to be, as things stand today, he may not necessarily have the authority to enforce any such “strong message”.

The Grand Mufti of Australia (I have read/ heard) is “alleged” to be a person with much knowledge of the Letters (lessons) of the Koran. If he does not represent all Imams preaching in Mosques in Australia, and their language/message – who does?

It is obvious not all Imams are on the same page – if some are free to preach, extremist or radical views on Aussie youth to hate westerners and our way of life.

If there is a lack of hierarchial organisation – who is the responsible (party) that delegates an Imam to a particular mosque whereby they can “preach” to their faithful – extremist and/or radical views (or hatred) to the "faithful"?

Who is responsible for vetting such Imams interpretation of the Koran – prior to such person being in charge of Mosque?

Or does this mean that any person can come from overseas purporting to be an Imam – no checks or balances required – assigned to a Mosque then preach radical and/or extremist messages to “the faithful"?

Man Monis also came into Australia purporting to be an Iman, photos show him with the Grand Mufti, we now know he wasn’t an Imam. I don't need to say more.
Posted by SAINTS, Sunday, 6 December 2015 4:21:59 PM
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