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Paris Jihad: will of Allah or blasphemy? : Comments

By Rodney Crisp, published 24/11/2015

How is it possible to brainwash so many young people to the extent that they willingly transform themselves into human bombs?

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Try finding a quotation from the New Testament rather than the Jewish history in the Old Testament.
Posted by Outrider, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 1:27:41 PM
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Cobber The Hound,
Irrelevant, European Christians decided to forgo armed sectarian conflict in favour of nationalism in the 17th century and secular liberalism is to blame for the current state of play in the middle east.
Christians don't control the USA, EU and NATO, secular, left leaning and liberal bureaucrats do, the countries where Christianity is still widely practiced, Poland, Hungary,Croatia etc are staying out of the madness altogether.
Observance of Christianity in Western Europe has shrunk to about 20% of the population, by contrast observance of Islam among those of immigrant background is growing steadily and sits at 40-50% among those groups.
The Bible is not relevant to any discussion of Islam and Jihadi violence simply because Muslims don't adhere to those scriptures and the Koran is no more comparable to Christian theology than the Bhagavad Gita or the Tibetan book of the dead.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 2:30:03 PM
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Here's one from the New Testament, Outrider. Jesus cursing the Jews for not killing disobedient children:

"And [Jesus] continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ (Mark 7:9-10 NIV)

Speaking of Moses, he's mentioned more often in the New Testament than the Old.
Posted by AJ Philips, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 5:08:28 PM
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Hi Jay of Melbourne,

You said: The Bible is not relevant to any discussion of Islam and Jihadi violence simply because Muslims don't adhere to those scriptures and the Koran is no more comparable to Christian theology than the Bhagavad Gita or the Tibetan book of the dead.

This is not true - Islam is related to Christianity and Judaism - they are Abrahamic religions - Judaism is the oldest, followed by Christianity and Islam.

Allah, God the father, and Yahweh are all one and the same. Muslims even consider Jesus to be an important prophet and the Messiah - but they do not believe he was divine. The Koran mentions Jesus several times.

Here are some inspirational verses from the New Testament - it would be great if more people, including Christians, followed them.

Luke 6:27-29
Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, and pray for those who mistreat you. If anyone hits you on one cheek, let him hit you on the other one too.

Matthew 5:43-44
You have heard that it was said, 'Love your friends, hate your enemies.' But now I tell you: love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

Then there is the verse that Tony Abbott thinks is no longer relevant in our modern world - Jesus disagreed:

Mark 12:29-31
Jesus replied, "The most important one is this: 'Listen Israel! The Lord our God is the only Lord. Love the Lord your God with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength. The second most important commandment is this: "Love your neighbour as you love yourself." There is no other commandment more important that these two.

There is nothing more radical than being loving - especially in difficult times.

Love, Peacemaking and Truth-telling have all become radical acts in the modern world.
Posted by BJelly, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 5:38:02 PM
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The God of Christianity is different to the God of Israel and of Islam.

It is the claimed nature of God in Christianity that sets it apart from the other two; and never the trice shall meet.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 6:01:11 PM
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Rodney Crisp asks "how is it possible to brainwash so many young people to the extent that they willingly transform themselves into human bombs?

Quite easy, Rodney. The psychological term for it is "Operant Conditioning" (brain washing). Probably anyone can be conditioned into a "Manchurian Candidate", and the movie "A Clockwork Orange" parodied this fact. If your culture stresses continuously that the most wonderful thing that you can do is to sacrifice yourself to kill as many of your people's enemies as you can. Then you can bet that some young men will very willingly kill themselves to gain the social approval that they crave. If you give some young men a script to become a martyr, or a hero to their own people, many will grab it with both hands.

The idea that people who fight their people' enemies are heroes, plays a part in every nations recruiting drive for their armed forces. That is why remembrance days for those who have been killed fighting for their people is so important. One reason why the Chinese did so poorly on the battlefields against the Mongols, was the Chinese cultural conviction that all soldiers were just scum. Then they wondered why nobody wanted to fight for them.

Whether it is a Samurai dying for the emperor, or a berserker Viking dying with a sword in his hands, the idea is to make the candidate realise that what he is doing is acclaimed and admired by his people, and that he can get a reward in the afterlife. But people can be conditioned to eat other human beings, collect heads and scalps, and even march men, women and children into gas chambers.

Islam is a religion which stresses that those who fight for Islam are the finest Muslims there are. That is why Muslims can not criticise them. They have been conditioned all of their lives to admire Jihadis and Ghazis (those who kill an infidel) Nowhere have I ever heard of a so called "moderate" Muslim condemning a Jihadi or a Ghazi. To do so would be blasphemy.
Posted by LEGO, Tuesday, 24 November 2015 6:17:58 PM
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