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If 2015 is the hottest year since whenever, what will that mean? : Comments
By Don Aitkin, published 30/9/2015There are two stories floating around about the state of the earth’s atmosphere. Both are believed true by government-funded scientists and the environmentally minded. The situation is curious because the stories don’t mesh.
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Posted by Leo Lane, Saturday, 3 October 2015 2:14:59 PM
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This ‘name change’ conspiracy theory is so funny. Let’s get a few facts established with a few extensive quotes.
The CBD documentary "The Denial Machine" shows Luntz discussing why the Bush regime changed the language from the scary “Global Warming” to the more ambiguous “Climate Change”. (5 minutes) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WiTVL9iT1w It was always called Climate Science but in the last 40 years mankind’s influence has more specifically been referred to as Global Warming. The terms are nearly interchangeable, but if there is a difference it is that the scientific papers use Climate Change and layman’s articles and reporting use Global Warming. As the Skeptical Science summary says: “In fact, according to Google Books, the usage of both terms in books published in the United States has increased at similar rates over the past 40 years…. …Perhaps the only individual to advocate the change was Frank Luntz, a Republican political strategist and global warming skeptic, who used focus group results to determine that the term 'climate change' is less frightening to the general public than 'global warming'. There is simply no factual basis whatsoever to the myth "they changed the name from global warming to climate change". https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-change-global-warming.htm Climate science is old. Fourier discovered greenhouse gases nearly 200 years ago. “By the late 1930’s it was common knowledge that the world had been warming up. Grandfathers were saying that the younger generation had it easy: none of those early frosts and daunting blizzards of bygone times. And in fact, as one magazine put it in 1951, “The old-timers are right-winters arent’ what they were.” The evidence was largely anecdotal. Rivers failed to freeze over as formerly, glaciers retreated, and fish were found north of their former haunts. But detailed analysis of temperature statistics also seemed undeniably to show a rise… Nobody was worried… …By the early 1960’s much had changed. Spencer Weart Physics Today 1997 http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/seagrant/ClimateChangeWhiteboard/Resources/Uncertainty/climatech/weart97PR.pdf Climate change was becoming mainstream science by 1958 as the Bell Telephone company Science Hour demonstrates. 1958, enjoy the retro animation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-AXBbuDxRY Posted by Max Green, Saturday, 3 October 2015 2:57:22 PM
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Max Green, the last time you demonstrated what a fraud-supporting dunce you are, you promised not to come back.
But here you are, the proven fool, still with no science to show any measurable effect of human emissions on climate, and with global warming, despite the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere, halted completely almost 19 years ago, proving that the science applied by the IPCC in their climate models only works in the laboratory, and not in real life. Carbon dioxide is a minor greenhouse gas, which by itself, does not govern temperature, except in the flawed representations of the fraud-promoting IPCC. You use the deceptively named fraud-backers, Skeptical Science as your reference. One of their recent efforts was the false assertion that 97%of climate scientists support the view that the world is warming and human emissions are the main cause.No one takes anything that they say seriously. Your concocted saga about climate change is nonsense. The beauty of it is, that the climate fraud promoters are losing: “25 years of intense political and cultural pressure hasn’t won over the public. But they haven’t stopped trying. With the huge investment of time and money, the fear-mongers keep trying—believing, somehow, they’ll get different results.” http://www.westernjournalism.com/climate-campaign-hasnt-worked-but-the-fearmongers-keep-trying/ Come up with some science to support your assertions, Max, or keep your promise to stay away, and stop your trolling. Posted by Leo Lane, Saturday, 3 October 2015 11:04:10 PM
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Sticks and Stones, Leo, Sticks and Stones.
Grow up. If you want to compare science, look at my links then look at yours. Irony much? Posted by Max Green, Sunday, 4 October 2015 12:17:26 PM
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Max, your links disclose no science to show that human emissions have any measurable effect on climate, yet you continue supporting the IPCC climate fraud.
There has been no global warming since 1997 other than created by the manipulation of the temperature record. The 1930s were the hottest years, but now 1998 is the hottest year on record, because the temperature record has been manipulated to make those hottest years cooler. Dishonest people like you support this behaviour of the fraud promoters. “Feds caught altering past temperature data: NOAA claims 1998 was previous ‘hottest on record’ on record — But in 1999, the same year was only the 5th warmest before ‘adjustments’ - 'In an article which NASA published in 1999, Hansen showed that 1998 was only the fifth warmest year, after 1934, 1921, 1931 and 1953. In fact, 1998 was 0.6C cooler than 1934' -- 'Over the past decade, NASA and NOAA have continuously altered the temperature record to cool the past and warm the present. Their claims are straight out Orwell's 1984, and have nothing to do with science' Read more: http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/02/14/watch-now-climate-depots-morano-on-nasa-altering-historical-temperature-numbers/#ixzz3nVJk0lIh If you have any scientific or rational basis for support of the IPCC climate fraud, please disclose it. Otherwise the basis is obviously your dishonesty. Posted by Leo Lane, Sunday, 4 October 2015 1:41:14 PM
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This is known physics that was discovered nearly 2 centuries years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Fourier#Discovery_of_the_greenhouse_effect Watch the candle demonstrate the heat diverting properties of CO2. Starts 90 seconds in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6Un69RMNSw Mathematics around more CO2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_forcing Global Warming = ocean warming http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2201/ Glaciers retreating: http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/images/glacier-retreat Sea levels have risen 6cm or an inch since 1998... http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/ ...and is probably going to hit one metre in 100 years http://climate.nasa.gov/news/2329/ Watchable video on National Security implications: General Gordon Sullivan, Former Chief of Staff US Army Rear Admiral David Titley Vice Admiral Dennis McGinn James Woolsey, Former Director CIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqBURjOdOG8&playnext_from=TL&videos=Om3b1AocsiA&feature=sub More severe cyclones http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/RisingCost/rising_cost5.php It will make a wetter atmosphere, which makes storms worse and the mother-of-all feedback loops http://earthsky.org/earth/frank-wentz-will-global-warming-bring-more-rainfall http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/14/1321481/-Global-Warming-is-increasing-moisture-in-Earth-s-atmosphere-driving-Mother-of-all-Feedback-Loops Rising oceans could see 100 million people on the move http://ocean.nationalgeographic.com/ocean/critical-issues-sea-level-rise/ Posted by Max Green, Sunday, 4 October 2015 2:40:06 PM
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Their method is to assume the meaning of climate change to be as defined in this dishonest, baseless definition, so that anyone believing in climate change is taken to believe that it is human caused, while the opinion-giver thinks that they are subscribing to a belief in climate change as defined by an English dictionary, and not by a fraudulent puppet entity of the United Nations.
So fraud supporters use the term “climate change”.
NASA for example says:” we've chosen to emphasize global climate change on this website, and not global warming” http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/climate_by_any_other_name.html
The term “global warming” was promoted by Hansen, Gore, and other climate liars to frighten the population, and gain support for misapplication of public money to enriching promoters of climate fraud, like the United Nations, and fraud supporting scientists.
Luntz scored an own if,as Bugsy asserts, he recommended the term “climate change.
Bugsy’s “well documented” source was an article, where their source was stated to be:
“A Republican source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said party strategists agreed with Mr Luntz's conclusion”
Bugsy questions the waste of billions on the climate fraud:
“Green Climate fund and with Australia's contribution have reached a significant total in excess of $10 billion to date.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-10/bishop-200-million-to-green-climate-fund-at-un-climate-summit/5956676
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/04/billions-of-dollars-sneaks-out-the-door-through-un-committees/