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If 2015 is the hottest year since whenever, what will that mean? : Comments
By Don Aitkin, published 30/9/2015There are two stories floating around about the state of the earth’s atmosphere. Both are believed true by government-funded scientists and the environmentally minded. The situation is curious because the stories don’t mesh.
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Posted by ant, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 6:39:48 AM
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Ant the water in my dam certainly does have a variable density but you know that. Originally I asked about the Ice Age and you blokes subject me to abuse. Of course namby pambys like you squeal when given some back, lol.
I do think that whatever your latest fad name for our atmosphere is being called changes my view. You are not as smart as you think you are and anything with UN in front of it is a scam. There you go, abuse away and thank goodness we have you lemmings paying HECS debt now lol. Posted by JBowyer, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 7:28:41 AM
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In answer to the opening piece, it will mean more bushfires. As we have already seen this week, the earliest start to fire season. California's fire season is stretching out to almost all year long. We're going the same way.
"According to the BNHCRC, the above normal forecast is mostly due to a strengthening El Nino over the Pacific Ocean, but is made more complex by the influence of warmer sea temperatures in the Indian Ocean. Significantly below average rainfalls over the last decade across almost all of eastern Australia, the west coast and Tasmania aren’t helping either. The BNHCRC warned that such conditions will challenge the limited resources of the fire and land management agencies, and have created the situation where each fire season is likely to be more demanding than the last, both in economic and human costs. Much of Australia’s firefighting equipment is leased from firefighting agencies in the northern hemisphere. With climate change driving longer bushfire seasons, and fire weather extending into October and March in Australia, the reliance on equipment from the northern hemisphere could increasingly leave Australia unprepared." https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/longer-bushfire-seasons-leave-australia-exposed Posted by Max Green, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 7:49:22 AM
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Trying to duck the questions; and then being abusive, JB.
Comparing a farm dam with the Atlantic Ocean; JB, is a bit beyond the pale. Oceans have temperature and salinity gradients; also, does your dam have any influence on weather? "The blob" caused the death of a significant number of sea creatures, there were lots of stories about seals and birds needing to be rescued . Conventional media was reporting it; available to anybody whether you live in Australia or Timbuktu. A story that came my way earlier today is about Newtok, an Inuit village that has to move due to permafrost thawing. There are a number of other villages in Alaska where the whole community needs to be moved due to a changing climate. http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/10/06/3709050/alaska-climate-threatened-community-relocating/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=cptop3 Quote from source: "Though Newtok is the furthest along in the relocation process compared to other communities planning to follow their steps, it is still might not be far enough. Even the highest point in the village — a school that sits perched atop 20-foot pilings — could be underwater by 2017. It has been estimated that homes may not be able to move to the new location until 2018 or possibly later given the number of bureaucratic and economic setbacks." The costs of moving whole communities is prohibitive. Posted by ant, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 8:38:37 AM
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Ant "a school that sits perched atop 20-foot pilings — could be underwater by 2017."
Well that settles it we really are in trouble, time to get serious boys! Hold on, over twenty feet rise in water level in two years? When I read the story of the school being under water in the next few years I will be really in trouble. All the people in Bayside Melbourne will move out with to me in the hills. Do not bother with all the rubbish about sea level rises, it has hardly risen in the last 100 years, before your very eyes folks! Boys re-arrange these words into a well known phrase or saying "Dead, horse, flogging you are, a". Posted by JBowyer, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 9:13:05 AM
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JB
stop chucking tea on me, willya. Other buildings surrounding the square include the golden spire-topped Admiralty, built by Adrian Zakharov between 1806 and 1823, in a style that has become known as Russian Empire and the neo-classical St Isaac's Cathedral, once the largest Russian Orthodox Church in the world with a capacity of 14,000. This was constructed by the French architect Auguste Montferrand between 1818 and 1858 with the first task requiring the pile-driving of 25,000 tree trunks into the marshy ground to provide the foundations. Posted by nicknamenick, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 9:55:49 AM
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This is another funny part, to quote you:"A blob of water?"
It just shows that you have not been keeping up with the news. "The blob", is the name that it has been given on the basis of being so different to other parts of the Pacific Ocean off the West Coast of the US.
A quote in relation to "the blob":
"Though it’s not the sci-fi movie Blob, this particular climate change monstrosity could well be described as stranger than fiction. It’s an ocean feature of the Ridiculously Resilient Ridge which has warded storms off the North American West Coast over the past couple of years."
"Ridiculously Resilient Ridge" is another often used term about weather patterns off the West Coast of the US. You might like to google algal bloom off the West Coast of the US. Here is a start:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/massive-toxic-algae-blooms-may-prove-a-sign-of-climate-change-to-come/
Comparing the stratification (is there any?) in a dam with that of an Ocean is also somewhat amusing. What is the salt content of your dam,JB? Is the density of water in your dam variable?
As you are setting yourself up as an expert JB, can you answer this question, is the AMOC slowing down? Me, I just try and understand what the scientists are saying.
There is debate about whether individual weather events can be claimed as part of climate change; but, when there are several flooding events happening around the globe where cars and houses are bobbing about in floods the aggregate become hard to argue against.
A warmer atmosphere carries more water vapour.