Joe, as usual you become confused when trying to identify the villains. Try and get your mind around the fact that the Palestinians were there first.

The Israelis got their foot in the door using WW2 and the leverage gained from the German holocaust against the Jews.

Since then, the Israelis have outdone the Germans in every measure of brutality and imperialism!

Firstly, I don't want to hear from a Pro-Israel viewpoint what Palestine needs.

That's like asking the homosexuals and transgenders to decide whats best for heterosexuals;
Or asking black people whats best for white people.
Or asking Islamic extremists whats best for Christians.

You should focus on what Israel does, David.
Plenty of stuff to keep you busy there.

Easy solution?
Cut the country in half so both sides have ports and foreshores and make them flip a coin for it.

Hi David G,

A certain amount of hyperbole is okay, but I would respectfully suggest that the Germans, in a busy week, murdered more Jewish people, Roma, homosexuals, communists, Russians and other non-Aryans, etc. (as well as allied troops) than have ever been killed, military, civilians and terrorists combined, in Palestine by the Israelis.

Again, the principle of seizing the territory of an aggressor applies, going back to the 1948 War: after the UN recognised the existence of both Israel AND Palestine in 1947-1948 (pity the Arab countries didn't recognise the existence of either), and the Arab countries around Israel launched their attacks, it was quite legitimate for Israel to defend itself then, and it still is.

One consequence of that UN legitimation was the right of Israel, as a sovereign nation, to occupy the territory of the aggressors from which they had launched those attacks on it.

Strange: once upon a time, 'Arabia' was just a small portion of what is now called the Arabian Peninsula. After launching their initiatives of peace in the seventh and eighth centuries, at first across the north to mainly-Christian Syria and mainly-Kurd and -Persian Mesopotamia, then peacefully across largely-Christian Egypt and north Africa, to eventually peacefully occupy most of Christian (Arian) Spain, the Arab population peacefully stretched across a couple of thousand miles.

Or do you doubt that that was all done peacefully ? Not to mention the peaceful so-called 'conquest' of central Asia, India and eventually China and Korea, and much of eastern Europe. Both Japan and Vietnam refused the peaceful overtures of the Mongols to join in their empire of peace in the thirteenth century, as the French had done earlier in 732, and the Viennese later in 1699.

The Arab world, and Islam, have ceaselessly expanded through conquest. They are not really in the position to sling off at Israel, or anybody else, for that matter

I hope this has been illuminating, David :)

Joe

When a group of religious extremists are allowed to get a foothold in a nation peopled by another group then the extremists are armed and supported by a imperialist Superpower you are hardly going to get peace everlasting.

Hmm.... looking back a t the History of the last 2000 years. The Jews held all the lands which is now deemed Israel & Jordan. Then around 60 AD the Romans kicked most of the Jews out of what was called Roman Palestine for creating trouble for them. around 320 AD the arear was converted to Christianity as a Declaration by the Roman Emperor Constantine. They lived peacefully until around 730 AD. The Arab Islamic Armies Attacked & forcefully Converted everyone to Islam. Those that didn't convert they murdered. Around 1000 AD the Romans tried to take back their Empire in the Middle East. They failed. The entire Middle East has been constant in conflict ever since the Arabs & Islam took over the area. About 10 23 the Middle East was Partitioned off by an agreement between the forerunner to the UN & the Saudis & is still in constant conflict. In 1946 the Jews said, "Stuff this, we're going home," & they did.

Joe, as usual you become confused when trying to identify the villains. Try and get your mind around the fact that the Palestinians were there first.

No they weren't. A few scattered Tribes in walled City States then the Canaanites & then the Egyptians from Africa, then the Hyksos from Turkey, then the Hebrews, then the Akkadians from Syria, then the Babylonians from Iraq. then the Persians, then the Greeks then the Romans, then the Arabs. The Hebrew became the Jews never left completely during this time so they have had a continuous presence in the area under the control of some conqueror or other. Hebrews being a People Jewry being their Religion.

I guess, long ago, in the Middle East it was 'peopled' by chimps and apes.

I guess they should make a land claim based on the fact that they were there first.

DG: I guess, long ago, in the Middle East it was 'peopled' by chimps and apes.

Still is & they squabble & fight with everybody. :0