Exactly David! That's is what palestine needs from Netanyahu; and instead they get endless conditions, weasel words and equivocation!? And just for domestic political considerations.

Clearly, a power addicted Netanyahu and his SS troopers; manifestly have no intentions of honoring any genuine peace accord or agreement!?

Given that would end his ability to roll out new jewish settlements and the gerrymander they create, with complete impunity!

If Netanyahu had any other position he would very quickly become just another also ran!

Palestine needs to keep stating its position as an internationally acknowledged state, with internationally recognized borders as already acceded to, and until Netanyahu comes up with an acceptable offer in line with previous agreements!

The commercial boycotts should continue to be progressively magnified/amplified/ramped up, until that happens.

Netanyahu has a small window of opportunity to reach a solid set in concrete deal, due to the advent of ISIL and more important as an issue for former perceived enemies than driving Israel anywhere?

He needs to take his so called conditions off the table and set about making friends of former intractable enemies, as Turkey, Japan, Italy and Germany did!

He just doesn't need them, given Israel is strong enough to defend itself from anyone!

Stop playing the devil's advocate David and start calling this self evidently evil man/power addict to account for his own peace delaying actions/tactics!
Rhrosty.

Palestine needs more straight talking and less doublespeak.

I agree, but haw are you going to get the Palestinians to do that? That's the question. Then their is the Question of which Palestinians. Hamas, Abbas, the people themselves, Hezbolla?, ISIS, & any other number of factions that abound in Gaza.

Palestine's only hope is the majority support of the world's nations. What has happened to Palestine has happened before our eyes - has happened in a time where there are more international instruments of oversight than ever before. There is always room for everyone however when humanity is replaced with inhumanity which can degenerate to the abyss of the brutal then all is lost.

Hi Rhosty,

When you say "Palestine needs to keep stating its position as an internationally acknowledged state, with internationally recognized borders as already acceded to .... " which Palestine do you mean ? The Palestine of Abbas and the PLO, or the Palestine of Hamas ?

I'm not exactly sure about Abbas' true position, but Hamas claims all of Israel as part of its territory. So any country which accepts Hamas' definition, is really acceding to the extinction of Israel. Isn't that so ?

Joe

When a group of religious extremists are allowed to get a foothold in a nation peopled by another group then the extremists are armed and supported by a imperialist Superpower you are hardly going to get peace everlasting.

Then, when the Extremists then begin to take more and more of the land belonging to the native population and impose more and more heavy restrictions upon them, troubles inevitably grow.

Then, when the Extremists are encouraged to wage wars against their neighbors and take strategic advantages and are rarely condemned for the war crimes they commit, then you have a trouble spot of dangerous proportions which will continue to grow.

And when the Extremists are allowed to develop(or are supplied with with nuclear weapons), the scene is set for catastrophe.

Israel is a disaster and may well be the touchstone for a war that will end the world.

Extremists should be destroyed and strictly controlled whenever they appear.

Hi David G.,

As you say, "Extremists should be destroyed and strictly controlled whenever they appear."

Yes, indeed: any terrorist force which rains rockets randomly down on a civilian population should be destroyed ... whenever they appear.

My memory is faulty these days, but I seem to recall that, about a year ago, Hamas rained more than two thousand rockets down on the Israeli population - it didn't matter to Hamas where they landed or who they hit or didn't hit. To me, that seems to count as genuine 'Extremism', or even terrorism. What do you reckon ?

In international law, so I understand, perhaps imperfectly, the government of a territory and population that is attacked from another territory has the right to defend itself, and to pursue the perpetrators and to seize the territory from which they launched those attacks - and to seize that territory permanently. E.g., the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt and the Golan Heights from Syria, during the Six-Day War in 1967.

Just tying to help :)

Joe
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Joe, as usual you become confused when trying to identify the villains. Try and get your mind around the fact that the Palestinians were there first.

The Israelis got their foot in the door using WW2 and the leverage gained from the German holocaust against the Jews.

Since then, the Israelis have outdone the Germans in every measure of brutality and imperialism!

Firstly, I don't want to hear from a Pro-Israel viewpoint what Palestine needs.

That's like asking the homosexuals and transgenders to decide whats best for heterosexuals;
Or asking black people whats best for white people.
Or asking Islamic extremists whats best for Christians.

You should focus on what Israel does, David.
Plenty of stuff to keep you busy there.

Easy solution?
Cut the country in half so both sides have ports and foreshores and make them flip a coin for it.

Hi David G,

A certain amount of hyperbole is okay, but I would respectfully suggest that the Germans, in a busy week, murdered more Jewish people, Roma, homosexuals, communists, Russians and other non-Aryans, etc. (as well as allied troops) than have ever been killed, military, civilians and terrorists combined, in Palestine by the Israelis.

Again, the principle of seizing the territory of an aggressor applies, going back to the 1948 War: after the UN recognised the existence of both Israel AND Palestine in 1947-1948 (pity the Arab countries didn't recognise the existence of either), and the Arab countries around Israel launched their attacks, it was quite legitimate for Israel to defend itself then, and it still is.

One consequence of that UN legitimation was the right of Israel, as a sovereign nation, to occupy the territory of the aggressors from which they had launched those attacks on it.

Strange: once upon a time, 'Arabia' was just a small portion of what is now called the Arabian Peninsula. After launching their initiatives of peace in the seventh and eighth centuries, at first across the north to mainly-Christian Syria and mainly-Kurd and -Persian Mesopotamia, then peacefully across largely-Christian Egypt and north Africa, to eventually peacefully occupy most of Christian (Arian) Spain, the Arab population peacefully stretched across a couple of thousand miles.

Or do you doubt that that was all done peacefully ? Not to mention the peaceful so-called 'conquest' of central Asia, India and eventually China and Korea, and much of eastern Europe. Both Japan and Vietnam refused the peaceful overtures of the Mongols to join in their empire of peace in the thirteenth century, as the French had done earlier in 732, and the Viennese later in 1699.

The Arab world, and Islam, have ceaselessly expanded through conquest. They are not really in the position to sling off at Israel, or anybody else, for that matter

I hope this has been illuminating, David :)

Joe

When a group of religious extremists are allowed to get a foothold in a nation peopled by another group then the extremists are armed and supported by a imperialist Superpower you are hardly going to get peace everlasting.

Hmm.... looking back a t the History of the last 2000 years. The Jews held all the lands which is now deemed Israel & Jordan. Then around 60 AD the Romans kicked most of the Jews out of what was called Roman Palestine for creating trouble for them. around 320 AD the arear was converted to Christianity as a Declaration by the Roman Emperor Constantine. They lived peacefully until around 730 AD. The Arab Islamic Armies Attacked & forcefully Converted everyone to Islam. Those that didn't convert they murdered. Around 1000 AD the Romans tried to take back their Empire in the Middle East. They failed. The entire Middle East has been constant in conflict ever since the Arabs & Islam took over the area. About 10 23 the Middle East was Partitioned off by an agreement between the forerunner to the UN & the Saudis & is still in constant conflict. In 1946 the Jews said, "Stuff this, we're going home," & they did.

Joe, as usual you become confused when trying to identify the villains. Try and get your mind around the fact that the Palestinians were there first.

No they weren't. A few scattered Tribes in walled City States then the Canaanites & then the Egyptians from Africa, then the Hyksos from Turkey, then the Hebrews, then the Akkadians from Syria, then the Babylonians from Iraq. then the Persians, then the Greeks then the Romans, then the Arabs. The Hebrew became the Jews never left completely during this time so they have had a continuous presence in the area under the control of some conqueror or other. Hebrews being a People Jewry being their Religion.

I guess, long ago, in the Middle East it was 'peopled' by chimps and apes.

I guess they should make a land claim based on the fact that they were there first.

DG: I guess, long ago, in the Middle East it was 'peopled' by chimps and apes.

Still is & they squabble & fight with everybody. :0

DavidG

You state:
"The Israelis got their foot in the door using WW2 and the leverage gained from the German holocaust against the Jews."

Wrong - the Jews got their foot in the door in 1920 after WW1 at the San Remo Conference and Treaty of Sevres and in 1922 when all 51 member Nations in the League of Nations unannimously endorsed the right of the Jewish people to reconstitute the Jewish National Home in Palestine under the Mandate for Palestine.

That is what the Jews have been legally engaged in doing since - managing to increase the Jewish population from 83790 in 1922 to 474102 in 1941 - despite the best attempts by the Arabs to prevent these Jews from entering Palestine to build up the Jewish Home in accordance with the above League of Nations decision.

The Arabs have never accepted that League of Nations decision favouring the Jews - even though the the Arabs ended up with 99% of the territory freed from Ottoman Empire rule after 400 years - which was granted to the Arabs under the Mandates for Syria and Lebanon and Mesopotamia - whilst the Jews got the remaining 1% under the Mandate for Palestine.

As a result there is now one Jewish State and 21 Arab States in the world.

Obviously you think that was a bad deal for the Arabs.

Coveting the one Jewish State as well - which would fit into Tasmania three times- is a pretty greedy and uncompromising position for the Arabs (with the notable exceptions of Egypt and Jordan) to seriously maintain. Don't you agree?

Is your support for the overwhwelming majority Arab position taken out of Jew-hatred or simply because you have swallowed Arab propaganda hook line and sinker - especially given the furphy raised by you in your above statement which I have pointed out is totally and unequivocally false?

Withdrawing that statement would show you are indeed prepared to reason and reconsider when confronted with facts that make your statement look really stupid.

Go for it

Beware of the defilers of language, aka propagandists.

Ideology religion are the chosen responsibility of the individuals who espouse them. They embody intentions, often not benign, towards other people.

Race (or ethnicity), a loose term for genetic inheritance, is inborn and not the choice or responsibility of any individual.

Racism is assigning greater or lesser worth to individuals or groups than to others on the basis of race (or ethnicity).

Antisemitism is a specific form of racism. So is Zionism. Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) and David Singer (OLO) have frequently expressed racism in relation to Jews. This is summarised in shorthand as “the Jews”, i.e. including the definite article “the” as if they were a nationality not an arbitrary category based on genetics like Celts.

In most European countries, and many others including Britain. America, Canada, New Zealand and Australia, Jews are equal in law to everyone else. They don’t need another homeland – they already have homelands like the rest of us. Equality however is intolerable to Zionist racists. Hence the seizure of part of Palestine and increasing encroachment on the rest of it. And hence the unending resistance by militant Palestinians.