Bugsy,

"And Is Mise, you have to [use/quote] Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica to try and get support [for] your argument? Seriously?"

Yeah, seriously, they all have restrictive gun laws and they have very high murder rates, so they qualify.
So does Mexico and South Africa.

Can you tell me why the USA with its high gun ownership rates is not higher on the world murder scale?

If more guns mean more crime then why doesn't the USA have the highest crime rates?

Drugs and crime cartels/gangs.

Which is why they have restrictive gun laws.

Try and pick more geographically and demographically comparable countries next time.

Yuk it up all you want, Is Mise. "microstamping" is a trivial addition to legal gun manufacture, and I'd be happy for mine to be. *positive* identification for every legal gun is feasible now just by examining the barrel striatons of any registered gun, and would eventually become trivial if all new weapons were suitably microstamped, or it's existing striations recorded. What uses of your gun couldn't you justify before a jury of your peers? I'm not worried, what are you afraid of?

Rusty

En guarde, Steelie.

I don't blame you for crowing over my mistake that suicides rose after the gun buyback. Your successes on OLO are so few that you can't help yourself when you score a point.

Getting onto your last premise, you seem to be suggesting in a roundabout way that those countries with little gun control have high crime rates and high suicide rates, while those countries with strict gun controls have low crime rates and low suicide rates. I know you did not say that outright, but like so many of your ilk, you can't do what I do, stick your neck out and say exactly what you mean. But my reading of your post leads me to presume that this is your position.

Now, am I correct? If not, then clarify your position.

If I am correct in understanding your position, then your position is obviously wrong. Australia and Britain are just two countries which once had very low crime rates and almost non existent firearm laws. Switzerland has very low crime rates and every house has an assault rifle. Everybody is armed in Israel, and crime rates are low. Mexico has very strict firearms laws, a homicide rate 15 times Australia's, and a very low suicide rate. The USA has strict gun laws in those states and cities where hispanic and negro crime gangs are right out of control, and lenient gun laws in the mostly white North Western states and towns where crime rates are low.

The USA has a homicide rate five times higher than Australia. But if all the homicides where firearms were used were taken out of the US statistics entirely, the US homicide rate would still be double the Australian rate. If you can't figure out that something other than firearm availability is a far more important factor in people making the decision that killing another person is the right thing to do, then If I were you, I would not sit around waiting for Mensa to give you an invitation to join them.

On The Beach, Whatever you reckon, Old son. I guess poorly delineating my furious agreement with current gun law and my desire to see it even better enforced would somehow be invalidating of my views to some. Good luck. If I really need any clarifications when I'm on the farm I'll be sure to ask the local former Senior Sergeant next time he's over for a cuppa. Suits?

In any case I don't see how the points I raised are dreadfully burdensome. The minor records and paperwork are all indoors with no heavy lifting, and electronic records are getting easier. I see no reason to think that good records assist criminals, but excellent records can exclude the rest of us from suspicion as easily as checking a library book or a number plate, so I'm OK with that. If you want to have a pissing competition about who is too much a weakling to do paperwork, no worries...You win!

Rusty

Rusty,

It simply doesn't work.
Every shot that is fired alters the ballistic imprint of a barrel's interior.
Using sabot rounds leaves no markings on the projectile at all, nor are there any marking on a paper patched bullet.
Decades ago the use of ice (frozen water variety)slugs in shotguns left no ballistic trace and after a minute or two no bullet either.

How are you going to ensure that there are identifying marks on home cast bullets or on solid copper or brass projectiles machined in the home workshop's lathe?
It takes only a few minutes with a 1/8th hole punch and a sheet of scrap plumber's lead to produce sufficient shot to load up a few shot gun cartridges; not good for ballistic efficiency but effective at usual crime ranges.

Your ideas have been coming up for years and no one, knowledgeable on the subject has ever supported them.