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Male champions of change : Comments

By Sarah Russell, published 24/4/2015

The aim of 'Male Champions of Change' is for men in positions of power to advance gender equality. Let's hope they have more luck than women have had in that task.

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Dr Russell, that's quite a list and gives creedence to the observation that Feminism is capitalism's little sister.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/14/feminism-capitalist-handmaiden-neoliberal
Another musical quote which sums up the present state of Feminism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psB0cidB5bg
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 26 April 2015 6:34:25 PM
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Sarah, I admire your tenacity in the face of an overwhelmingly negative response to your article. I doubt any articles written by women, except possibly the religious ones, get any positive feedback on this forum.
I suspect that in future there will be very few of these articles for all the good ol' boys to get their jocks in a twist about.

Wolly B, I was just wondering how you know exactly what questions are asked by police to men and women at every domestic violence situation? Are all the police who go to these sort of call-outs female cops then?
If there were any male cops attending, I can't imagine them asking your questions of the men they interrogate, because of course, as frontline people involved in the fallout from domestic violence, they would know that there is a huge female-perpetrated violence against men out there, surely?

I would imagine there are also plenty of 'safe-houses' for these men to go to to get away from their female abusers? If not, why not?
In our rural town, we have an organization that assists men involved with domestic violence, as both victims and perpetrators. It seems to work quite well by removing men from the situation and giving them a supported place to stay.

It sounds to me like you need to get one of these places going in your area?
Maybe you could do something positive about the problem rather than continually blaming 'feminists' for all men's problems in society today.
Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 26 April 2015 6:48:16 PM
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Suseonline, the response has been overwhelmingly one of a willingness to engage respectfully, despite disagreements.

Your own comments are notable exceptions.
Posted by Craig Minns, Sunday, 26 April 2015 7:06:14 PM
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Dr Russell, I see the Chief of the Army, David Morrison is a male champion for change.

So learned doctor, tell all of us here why the army has double standards for entry fitness requirements and hair length etc. Do you know what Morrison intends doing so that there is only one standard?
Posted by Roscop, Sunday, 26 April 2015 7:15:27 PM
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Sarah you have along the way made comments which imply a belief in the standard feminist dogma regarding DV. Issues that have been discussed numerous times on this site. If I recall correctly you suggested something along the lines that claims that DV is not predominately something men do to women are a distortion.

Have you ever tested those beliefs with a genuine look at the case put by those putting a case that is different to the feminist mantras on the topic?

It's my opinion and I think that of many others who have looked into it that much of the research that underpins the currently accepted view on DV being gendered start with a premise that it's an offshoot of male control and therefore never see the need to genuinely examine mens experience as victims of DV or womens role as perpetrator.

From http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.308.252&rep=rep1&type=pdf Page 6

"Although the batterer treatment standards of most states are premised upon DV being the product of patriarchy, the central causal construct in the feminist/sociocultural theory, there is little consistent empirical evidence in support of this view. Briefly, the patriarchy-as-cause view asserts that DV is solely a product of the socially sanctioned domination and control of women by men (Corvo & Johnson, 2003).

Empirical studies examining the influence of patriarchal gender role socialization or gender-based power inequities on DV behavior have demonstrated neither strong nor linear correlations (Dutton, 1994; Sugarman &Frankel, 1996; Yick, 2000)."

If you are willing to examine the alternate case a starting point on the DV issue is http://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
"SUMMARY: This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600."

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Sunday, 26 April 2015 8:11:33 PM
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The major problem with data about murder of family members is that it only counts those judged to be homicide. Most of these are preceded by domestic violence. DV that leads to a female killing a male is more likely to be judged as self defence than identical cases where a male kills a female. One reason for this is unrelentingly sexist and inaccurate depictions of domestic violence influencing the decisions of police, prosecutors and juries.

Without this confounding variable, no one knows how the data would look.
Posted by benk, Sunday, 26 April 2015 8:24:02 PM
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