In the blue corner, we have history's most expensive military spread across 150 countries, with drones, ballistic missiles, Apache helicopters, satelites, chemical weapons, nuclear weapons, global surveillance and a compliant global media

In the red corner is a poor uneducated angry goat herder with a few of his mates who is given a gun and a grenade made by the most expensive military in history.

A violent event occurs and the smartest people in the room blame the goat herder and his mates. If the most expensive military in history was used for evil purposes, who will tell you about it? There has never been a benevolent military empire: not Egypt, not Persia, not rome, not Napolean's france, not England, not germany, not the USSR. Empire is about power and goat herders are not powerful no matter how angry they get.

Is the objective for America and vassal Anglo and European States to subjugate the entire world?. I could live with that and if we were honest about such an objective there would be a more coherent policy which didn't simply destroy countries.

But what is really happening is that the most powerful corporations who supply the military and benefit from war, together with the biggest miners in the world have supplanted usa foreign policy for their own benefit. these corporation have decided what is good for them is good for us. The profits from war are breath taking.

If you follow the money trail you will find the uneducated poor angry goat herder does nt see any of those profits. He doesn't get interviewed on CNN. He doesn't have golf membership back in Augusta, he doesn't mix with CEOs, pentagon officials, or go to the theatre.

The western narrative believed by so many in this country is totally insane. We blame goat herder. Who now controls the oil fields in Iraq and Libya? Is it a goat herder? Sorry it's shell, Exxon, bp and friends. Please stop being so dim.

Hi Yebiga,

Do you have any evidence that ISIS commanders have ever been goat-herders ? Or that many of the hundred thousand ISIS, or al Qa'ida, or al-Shabaab or Boko Haram or Taliban or etc., have been goat-herders ? My bet is the only time any of those fascists have seen a goat is on the end of a fork.

Isn't it fun to exaggerate ? 'In the blue corner' total omnipotence, and 'in the red corner', poverty and struggle and oppression ?

And even more fun, as against that eternal struggle in most Middle eastern countries between Islamism, dictatorships and democratic-progressive forces, rather than openly praise the Islamists, or support the democrats and progressives (since the hated US has been trying to support those) to sink the boot into dictatorships ?

Oh, except that one in Syria: you probably support that one 100 % ?

And the theocratic dictatorship in Iran as well ? I wonder how many of the ayatollahs there have ever been goat-herders.

Oh look ! There's a pigeon !

Nice try, Yebiga !

So: what evidence is there of US complicity with ISIS ? Or with al Qa'ida (since 1990) ? Or with Boko Haram ? Or with al-Shabaab ? Or Abu Sayyaf ? or the Taliban ? Or Chechen Islamists ?

Joe

Yes C.H., and sad isn't it?

Clearly these guys are out and out fundamentalists, just looking for (a) sad sack target(s) to groom as human bombs/shields/dispensable cannon fodder, who will invariably be left where they fall; even if just wounded!?

One doesn't need to have the I.Q. of a moron to be convinced by this verbal vomit, but I guess it has to help!?

As for insufficient Government funding of Britain's Muslim schools?

If they weren't places that regularly produced fifth columnists/fundamentalists, whose only goal is to reject friends and family, and join ISIS as anti Christian warriors; perhaps there's a case for more funding, as indeed is the case for all education in today's G.B!

If it were down to me? I'd ask the Christian community to pass the hat around and buy one way tickets to the M.E., for these brain-dead butchers; and indeed, all those who's only goal is more of the same anti Christian bastardy!

Clearly all the troubles in the M.E., are down to home grown dictators!

I mean and come on, the Christian Crusades were done and dusted over a thousand years ago! And can hardly be blamed for today's home grown stone age brutality!

And if the west provided some funding or help from time to time, it was on the basis the my enemy's enemies are also my friends; and an evolving scenario! End of story!

And given that is so, countries like Turkey ans Egypt need to decide which side of the fence they want to stand on; and because trying to straddle the middle can be the worst possible position, and well remembered by the west, after this women hating devil's brigade of inhuman butchery and thuggery, is just little more than a bitter, impossible to forgive or forget, memory!
Rhrosty.

Loudmouth
ISIS is full Ivy League graduates
It's the poor USA military who have to put up with these well equiped murderers
What chance have these poor secular innocents against these trained assassins
It is unfair

Has no one thought that maybe the US is deliberately mixing their
support to set them at each others throats ?
Hopefully the Iraqi/Iranese will wipe ISIS out in Iraq & Syria and
we can then let them have a go at Saudi Arabia in Yemen and Saudi Arabia itself.
That will occupy them for the next hundred years and leave them
significantly weakened. In that fight they will callback all the
Sunni & Shia moslems in Europe and Australia and solve our problem.

As I said a long time ago, we need to build an electronic wall around
the middle east, let nothing out except oil, and let nothing in.
Send as many as possible back, but letting them stay on the
understanding that there is no Islam outside the wall.

This whole mess has been going on far too long and frankly I suspect
I am not the only one who wish I had never heard of Islam & moslems.
It is an absolute nonsense to say ISIS are not truly Islamic.
Of course they are, they follow the Koran to the letter.
That is the problem.

In the next 10 years or so we will have left oil & coal and they will
be left with a very poor economy as they have demonstrated that they
cannot manage a modern economy without oil exports as demonstrated by Egypt.

Perhaps those moslems that say ISIS are not moslems are themselves
not moslems and should either be atheists or join another religion.

The forum is now full of theology experts
I hate to tell you but the last time you ate at a restaurant the chances are very high a muslim prepared your food.
God save us from this simplicity