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David Hicks and the death of a legal system : Comments
By Binoy Kampmark, published 20/2/2015Australians tend to demonise or sanctify their legal villains, casting a social net around them that either protects, or asphyxiates them.
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Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 20 February 2015 4:13:47 PM
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Dear Plantagenet,
It is perfectly legitimate, indeed crucial, as Antony Loewenstein points out in his article for The Guardian, to ask David Hicks tough questions about his background, his belief in the Taliban and his nauseating old letters praising bin Laden. But none of this justifies long-term jailing, torture, and psychological abuse. David Hicks spent nearly six years in Guantanamo where he was abused and tortured. While it is crucial to question his background his treatment by our government and at the hands of the US was not justified. Let us take a look at the facts: Loewenstein tells us that David Hicks was interrogated, tortured and held in isolation for nearly six years in Guantanamo including 244 days in solitary confinement in a closet-sized cell without sunlight. He was also experimented on by US Military Doctors during his incarceration (a new study by the Task Force on Preserving Medical Professionalism found that doctors tortured suspected "terrorists" at Guantanamo Bay). Amnesty International maintains that David Hicks was illegally detained without a fair trial for years and that when he did have one - the Military Commission he appeared before never met International Standards for fair trials. I would assume that most Australians would not want a society that did not support the rule of law and due process. It would be extremely disturbing if that was not the case. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 20 February 2015 5:31:04 PM
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For me there are two parts to this that stick out.
1/ The way western legal systems operate and the limitations and safeguards we typically expect them to contain and the expectation that western governments are subject to law. 2/ The choices made by David Hicks and the response from various individuals and groups to what he has done and the way he was treated. Some of my thoughts on those points 1/ I am concerned that the US both then and now appears to have been operating outside the law and putting aside legal safeguards in it's war on terror. There are a number of issues of concern about that but the key points for me are - Where does that stop? The precedents are set so what happens when it's not muslim extremists that those in power in the US want dead or information from. - I think a lot of the choices being made to operate outside the law are helping promote extremism. When they get it wrong it gives a wide circle a genuine grievance and creates a worse, not better situation. - When governments operate outside the law we are all at risk. They get used to the power and tend to find ways to extend its use rather than reign it in. 2/ I have no sympathy for Hicks himself who chose to go and fight with the Taliban (http://www.amnesty.org.au/hrs/comments/david_hicks_the_story_so_far/). In my view there was enough known about the extremes of the Taliban for a long time before 911 that anyone choosing to side with them is vermin or utterly negligent. Pretty hard to recreate what a web search in about the year 2000 would have shown but I recall knowing of enough about them prior to 911 to be repelled. Some light reading on the group that Hicks chose to fight with ' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_treatment_of_women http://www.rawa.org/rules.htm http://www.amnesty.org.uk/womens-rights-afghanistan-history#.VObg0y5qKB0 http://www.feminist.org/afghan/taliban_women.asp https://www.mtholyoke.edu/~mvcarmac/women2.html I think the USA has done wrong but that does not create any desire to feel sympathy for those like Hicks and others who have supported brutal ideologies. R0bert Posted by R0bert, Friday, 20 February 2015 5:40:23 PM
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First of all it now seems highly likely that the Sept 11 twin towers "bombing" was a carefully orchestrated inside job false-flag operation. So in this case who were the real "terrorists"?
One of the prime villains was of course the village idiot from Texas who subsequently awarded the "freedom" medal to our lying rodent for his services to the coalition of the killing, and its pre-planned shock-and-awe invasion of Iraq. An invasion which was justified using multiple lies. It was also illegal under international law. It could therefore be said that both the village idiot and the lying rodent are war criminals. The invasion resulted in the murder of over 100,000 human beings and the systematic destruction and plunder of Iraq. It also provided the catalyst for all of the now never-ending chaos that has engulfed the Middle East, Libya and Afghanistan. It was also the catalyst for the Orwellian double-speak never-ending war against terror and the rapid emergence of the 24/7 global surveillance industry. Meanwhile the lying rodent has never ever expressed any public regret or remorse for any of the murder and mayhem that he helped create. This site describes the "collateral damage" that the dreadfully sane lying rodent helped to create http://erasingiraq.com Posted by Daffy Duck, Friday, 20 February 2015 5:57:58 PM
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I agree with Daffy Duck. There is ample scientific evidence that 911 was an inside Govt job. http://www.ae911truth.org/ Concrete ,steel reinforced buildings are not compromised by fire and cannot fall at near free fall speeds due to gravity unless carefully placed explosives are used.
The wars on Afghanistan, Iraq and many other countries were illegal and Hicks was tortured into admissions of guilt when in fact the guilty were his accusers. Posted by Arjay, Friday, 20 February 2015 6:11:26 PM
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The left's new pin up boy - a former Islamic fundamentalist that desired to take over parts of India and kill Indians.Yes, I am talking about his association with Lashkar-e-Taiba.
Probably nothing sums up the failure of the current left than its championing of clowns who hate the West. It's ironic. Hicks hated the West but then uses Western technical legalities to avoid charges. The problem here is not so much Hicks, as these clowns always exist, the problem is the left who try to turn the most stupid acts into virtues. Posted by Aristocrat, Friday, 20 February 2015 7:06:19 PM
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Real jihad is possible just like before in the Prophets day where martyrs die with a smile on their faces and their bodies stay smelling of beautiful perfume for weeks after death.
The West lives in the dark in a narrow sort of living. Allah will use his servants to punish non-believers in this world.
As a Muslim young and fit my responsibility is to protect my brothers from aggressive non-believers and not let them destroy it. Islam will rule again but for now we must have patience we are asked to sacrifice our lives for Allahs cause why not? There are many privileges in heaven. It is not just war it is jihad.
We must do this because we are forced simply because the West knows how strong Islam is when practiced.
One reward I get in being martyred I get to take ten members of my family to heaven who were destined for hell
But first I also must be martyred. We are all going to die one day so why not be martyred?
As a post script: If I do get martyred that is what I want. If Dad rings and says that, you know that your son is dead, say congratulations. Allah will help just let him know that you are happy about it.
The only true Muslims are those fighting.
I am now very well trained for jihad in weapons some serious like anti-aircraft missiles.
The Jews have complete financial and media control many of them are in the Australian government."
An Aussia Islamic State trainee last week? No http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/defence/in-david-hickss-own-words/story-e6frg8yx-1111115167069