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Welcome to Australia : Comments

By Isobel Blackthorn, published 20/2/2015

If refugees are viewed an undesirable necessity, asylum seekers are the mud on their shoes.

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JOM
Whatever happened to al queida?
Now it's ISIS - isn't that some Egyptian goddess. If i remember correctly in Shakespeare's Anthony & cleopatra, cleopatra commits suicide in the temple of ISIS.
But I thought these muslims had long ago given up on pagan goddesses.
I don't think it's very credible that a group of blood thirsty west sydney alienated youth are forming a new nation called ISIS all the while avoiding USA fukyeah drone strikes.

Unless of course these ISIS dudes are receiving their weapons, drugs and instructions from the USA to terrorise and fragment the whole region into chaos so that our Israeli allies feel safer living in their biblical nirvana of unrestrained bigotry
Posted by YEBIGA, Sunday, 22 February 2015 12:27:28 PM
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Exactly how did this happen?
The USA together with the coalition of the willing went into Iraq over 10 years ago
I thought we won that war? I am sure we declared victory and pulled out.

But hang on now ISIS control half the country
So we lost the war in Iraq?

Come on, the USA has become a total farce. Maybe the USA should recruit some ISIS thugs to run their wars, God knows they need help.

We have had 14 years of unmitigated incompetance from the USA
9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, London bombing, Bali bombing, abi graib, Guantanamo,manning and the war diaries, Snowden and now ISIS - there is no end to their incompetance.

Maybe we should start talking to the Chinese about a military alliance. Surely, we can see by now that the clowns in Washington are useless. enough is enough.
Posted by YEBIGA, Sunday, 22 February 2015 10:46:33 PM
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Craig,
I reject the idea that I'm spreading misinformation or hatred.I draw my information from the mainstream Western media, from the Third World media and from sites like Alternative Right and Radix which is the equivalent of you linking to the The Atlantic or The Guardian.
What's more by way of rebuttal you then post that excellent article by Graeme Wood which not only supports my information but greatly expands upon it (it's just a pity that most people won't sit still for half an hour to read and understand it like we did).
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 23 February 2015 5:58:11 PM
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JoM,
The point in my putting up those links was to demonstrate that it is necessary to examine many different sources, from which it may be possible to synthesise an opinion of our own.

The hard problem is to arrive at that synthesis without allowing our preexisting conclusions to influence us. If we can't do that, then we end up in an endless loop defined by our confirmation bias and so we don't really have any chance of deriving something useful from our efforts. As Paul Simon put it in that amazing song The Boxer, "a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest".

Unfortunately, you're probably right that few have bothered to read those excellent pieces, but looking on the bright side, it's likely that few who might have done so would have been significantly influenced anyway...
Posted by Craig Minns, Monday, 23 February 2015 6:50:46 PM
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True enough but as Wood's article points out it's not important what we think of ISIS,there's no dialectic.
It's also worth examining ISIS in the context of my earlier remarks on IQ in the Middle East because it's obvious that they are a cut above your average Arab or Kurd or Turk, they're the best of the best and they're drawing in the cream of the Islamic diaspora, the educated, middle class sons and daughters of the doctors and engineers.
As I said, immigration normally favours the intelligent over the non intelligent and as ISIS absorbs the most intelligent people of the Islamic world plus the best of the diaspora then they stand a real chance of achieving their goals.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 23 February 2015 9:44:23 PM
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Hi Isobel
Don't take any notice of the pooftas who dominate the comments on this site. They are a very unhappy lot who have nothing to do but complain about everything. We used to talk about whinging POMs , but this lot take the cake. All I can say is, thank you for your post. I agree with every word!
Posted by Colin Pain, Tuesday, 24 February 2015 5:05:00 AM
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