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Welcome to Australia : Comments

By Isobel Blackthorn, published 20/2/2015

If refugees are viewed an undesirable necessity, asylum seekers are the mud on their shoes.

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JoM, I find it hard to take character assessments seriously when they come from people who have so little courage of their convictions that they cannot stand behind them even to the extent of using their own name.

If you think your views are so well regarded, perhaps you might like to consider why you feel it necessary to hide behind an alias so that others, such as the clients you claim to work for, do not associate them with you.

In the meantime, I will continue to hold contempt for the sorts of views put by you, LEGO, runner and the few other social misfits with interpersonal communication problems who choose to post the ill-considered, poisonous crap that has been a feature of recent posts.

Your own comments are meaningless recitations based on your selective sources of "news", designed to confirm your hateful prejudices.

No wonder you have no friends.
Posted by Craig Minns, Sunday, 22 February 2015 9:12:36 AM
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Jay of melbourne
Yes of course the Scandanavians are struggling with the sheer numbers of refugees and immigration applications.

So maybe if we stopped bombing people on the other side of the world, people from the other side of the world will not arrive in such great number to our countriy and Scandanavia.

I know it's crazy to posit a cause and effect other than the refugees racial religious IQ
But just maybe bombing a country has something to do with creating refugees

I know it's a crazy conspiracy theory but...

now I m not saying that it's a cure all but what if we did nt bomb these poor countires and we didn't loot them and we let them have decide their own government and maybe genuinely help them with their economy just a little. I know you think I'm mad but I reckon it just might slow this whole immigration refugee thing down a bit.
Posted by YEBIGA, Sunday, 22 February 2015 9:51:06 AM
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Craig,

Maybe we'd take you seriously if you could provide answers to questions such as these:

Which ethnic groups contribute the most, which contribute the least and which ethnic groups are a drain on the public purse?
What is the rate of migration fraud and which ethnic groups are involved?
What is the rate of immigrant crime, which ethnic groups are most criminally inclined, which the least?
What is the rate of domestic violence and child abuse among immigrant and mixed families and what is the cost to society from this type of behaviour?
What is the cost to society of providing health care to sick immigrants, which ethnic groups use public health care the most, which the least?
What is the cost of policing migrant enclaves and surveillance by security services? Which ethnic groups need the most surveillance and the heaviest policing, which the least?

Craig can you answer those questions? I can't because either the information is kept secret or it's not collected in the first place.
The Norwegian figures suggest that only immigrants from the UK, Sweden and Germany make a positive contribution and that third world migrants cost about a million Euros each just to settle, and that figure doesn't include ongoing costs such as health, policing etc. Can you say with certainty that the situation is any different in Australia? If so could you produce data backing your conclusions?

Support for third world immigration is based on blind faith, it's an uninformed position which is constantly and comprehensively de-bunked by data released by the very countries, such as Norway which are held to be the model systems for social justice and a "fair go".
If the liberal countries of Europe are failing to integrate Third World immigrants and bankrupting themselves in the process and are openly admitting as much why the secrecy on the part of Australian authorities? How bad is the picture really? Surely if third world immigration was of benefit to society they'd have ad campaigns on TV and in newspapers showing the true figures, if only to shut up the "racists".
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 22 February 2015 11:02:59 AM
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Yeah, maybe if we stop trying to bomb the Shiite out of ISIS, fewer of them will try to migrate to Scandinavia, where they remain free to spread their particularly pernicious poison.
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Sunday, 22 February 2015 11:10:19 AM
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Yebiga,
It's out of "our" control, we didn't create ISIS, they have unilaterally declared war on Europe and the U.S.A and are threatening to push hundreds of thousands of refugees out of North Africa to overwhelm southern Europe.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2958517/The-Mediterranean-sea-chaos-Gaddafi-s-chilling-prophecy-interview-ISIS-threatens-send-500-000-migrants-Europe-psychological-weapon-bombed.html
Displacing people and flooding your enemy's territory with refugees is a timeless Jihadi strategy, it's psychological warfare on one level and economic warfare on another.
European governments are not capable of managing immigration and would be unable to deal with a mass exodus from North Africa and the Middle East http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9303722/italys-decriminalising-of-illegal-immigration-has-acted-as-a-green-light-to-boat-people/
The next phase of the war on Europe by Islamist forces looks to be the tried and true tactic of piracy and interdiction of trade:
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2015/02/19/Experts-warn-of-ISIS-piracy-on-Mediterranean.html
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Sunday, 22 February 2015 11:17:18 AM
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JoM,
I've already made it clear that I don't care whether anonymous dropkicks who use the internet to spread nasty, hatefilled misinfomation that they don't even have the guts to put their name to "take [me] seriously".

Your list of questions is not interesting. It does not seek to find causal mechanisms, but to taint by insinuation of association.

There may be all sorts of reasons for all sorts of people to find themselves at the bottom rung of the socio-economic ladder and ethnicity may be associated with some of them, perhaps causally by virtue of the nature of the common experience of some groups of people, both here, which should concern us especially, and in other parts of the world. Those groups need help and understanding, leadership, education, not the nasty, whining insinuations of those who lack the guts to stand in the light.

What a great example of how to behave you and Rhrosty are providing.

In case there are any reading this thread who are actually capable of thinking when sitting down, a couple of interesting pieces:

http://www.latimes.com/books/la-ca-jc-mohsin-hamid-20150222-story.html

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/1cc30728-b799-11e4-8807-00144feab7de.html

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/18/in-defense-of-islam/?fb_ref=Default&_r=1

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2015/02/obama-we-are-not-at-war-with-islam.html

http://brownpundits.blogspot.it/2015/02/is-islam-religion-of-book.html
Posted by Craig Minns, Sunday, 22 February 2015 11:57:48 AM
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