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Is Chérif Kouachi a classic case of prison radicalisation? : Comments

By Romain Quivooij, published 23/1/2015

Between 2005 and 2006, Chérif Kouachi, one of the two Charlie Hebdo attackers, was imprisoned in the Fleury-Mérogis jail. While this appears to have facilitated his behavioural transition to violent extremism, it did not constitute a 'triggering event'.

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Prison radicalization?
Well given you need the IQ of a moron for it to work, perhaps?

Even so, prisons have been radicalizing people for centuries.
i.e., we send in a young drug addict/bread thief and out comes a career criminal.

Arguably because we still treat medical conditions/enduring poverty with incarceration, which by the way, costs the taxpayer some $70,000.00 per prisoner P.A?

And if we hadn't privatized prisons and made them into a profitable business model?

Perhaps we might consider another course.
i.e., decriminalizing drug addiction, mental health issues and or extreme poverty.

And we do seem to have gotten off on the right foot there, by making some wait up to six months before they become eligible for work start.

If it were down to me, I would have instead threatened them with compulsory military service, after six months of fruitless searching?

Some psychological profiling might have established these guys were essentially criminally insane, and long before they hit the prison system?

Perhaps permanent exile might have meant a safer world for ordinary law abiding citizens, making a point via satire/black humor.

And given it does seem to get up some noses, evokes a reaction and provokes some thought time, where all else has failed.

Meaning there has to be a roll for disrespect and irreverence, in making political or social points.

Throughout the entire course of human history, all progress has been accompanied by the conflict of competing ideas.

And given Islam seems to have stifled most of theirs via iron willed absolutism, possibly explains why their medieval belief systems remain essentially mired in the stone age or dark ages?

Or why a couple of its devotees thought it appropriate to go on a killing spree against the cartoonists and a whole bunch of entirely innocent people, made into suitable targets, on the grounds they were infidels anyway!

Send them back where they came from, preferably before they execute/behead hundreds of other innocents, they are incapable of peacefully cohabiting with!

And while we are still essentially a Christian country!
Rhrosty
Posted by Rhrosty, Friday, 23 January 2015 11:13:19 AM
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Rhosty "Send them back where they came from, preferably before they execute/behead hundreds of other innocents, they are incapable of peacefully cohabiting with."

The shooters were born in France, so where would you want to send them to, had they lived?
The Kouachi brothers apparently had a lot of childhood issues that would have made them vulnerable to radicalization, whether they went to prison or not.

If you are part of a minority group in a country where most other people judge you negatively for the history of your ancestors, your religion, your skin colour, and the violent actions of a few of your minority group, then you aren't going to be too happy.

Add that to the problems of having usually poor migrant parents who often don't speak the local language, and the lack of any work prospects from predominantly racist employers, and you have young people just asking to be radicalized.
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 24 January 2015 3:40:30 AM
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Suseonline,

That is disgusting rubbish. You are shifting responsibility from the offenders to society and ultimately, even blaming the victims themselves. That is the criminal mentality: everyone else's fault but their own.

The offenders exercised their free will, judgement and choice to coldly and deliberately plan and carry out terrorism - which also proves they were not mad either. Diminished responsibility? What rot!

Sure hope there is a Judgement Day and an everlasting hell for them.
Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 24 January 2015 5:55:59 AM
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OTB, yes, the truth hurts.
There is no way we will ever stop the violence of terrorism until we try to prevent it developing in the young men in the first place.

Muslim people are spread all over the world, so no amount of 'send them back' will ever be practical now, in most cases.
We have to look outside the square, or these troubles will only get worse.
Posted by Suseonline, Saturday, 24 January 2015 10:04:21 AM
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Come off it Suse.

If life is that unpleasant for them, why the hell don't they migrate to where they are welcome.

Of course the answer to that is they are not welcome anywhere, & there is no great first world welfare state to cater to their every need free, anywhere but the west.

The problem is self curing actually. All our welfare states are going broke under the load of supporting a rapidly increasing number of worthless bludgers. Once the west is broke, there'll be no advantage in Muslims living there, & if they have not taken over by then, they will leave, looking for another handout.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 24 January 2015 10:54:46 AM
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"Send them back where they come from" is such a useless argument.
It's one world out there. We all come from it, and we all live in it.
Respect for our differences is good. So is toleration.
And don't heed the hate-mongers, that fear-filled vocal minority, whether in the MSM, in the on-line press or in the more simple-minded comments.
We can get thru these testing times of huge population movements, uncertain futures, confessional misunderstandings and (dare I say it?) climatic turmoil together. Or we can fall by the wayside in our fractious bickering.
The choice is for each of us to make.
Posted by halduell, Saturday, 24 January 2015 11:05:13 AM
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