Prison radicalization?
Well given you need the IQ of a moron for it to work, perhaps?

Even so, prisons have been radicalizing people for centuries.
i.e., we send in a young drug addict/bread thief and out comes a career criminal.

Arguably because we still treat medical conditions/enduring poverty with incarceration, which by the way, costs the taxpayer some $70,000.00 per prisoner P.A?

And if we hadn't privatized prisons and made them into a profitable business model?

Perhaps we might consider another course.
i.e., decriminalizing drug addiction, mental health issues and or extreme poverty.

And we do seem to have gotten off on the right foot there, by making some wait up to six months before they become eligible for work start.

If it were down to me, I would have instead threatened them with compulsory military service, after six months of fruitless searching?

Some psychological profiling might have established these guys were essentially criminally insane, and long before they hit the prison system?

Perhaps permanent exile might have meant a safer world for ordinary law abiding citizens, making a point via satire/black humor.

And given it does seem to get up some noses, evokes a reaction and provokes some thought time, where all else has failed.

Meaning there has to be a roll for disrespect and irreverence, in making political or social points.

Throughout the entire course of human history, all progress has been accompanied by the conflict of competing ideas.

And given Islam seems to have stifled most of theirs via iron willed absolutism, possibly explains why their medieval belief systems remain essentially mired in the stone age or dark ages?

Or why a couple of its devotees thought it appropriate to go on a killing spree against the cartoonists and a whole bunch of entirely innocent people, made into suitable targets, on the grounds they were infidels anyway!

Send them back where they came from, preferably before they execute/behead hundreds of other innocents, they are incapable of peacefully cohabiting with!

And while we are still essentially a Christian country!
Rhrosty

Rhosty "Send them back where they came from, preferably before they execute/behead hundreds of other innocents, they are incapable of peacefully cohabiting with."

The shooters were born in France, so where would you want to send them to, had they lived?
The Kouachi brothers apparently had a lot of childhood issues that would have made them vulnerable to radicalization, whether they went to prison or not.

If you are part of a minority group in a country where most other people judge you negatively for the history of your ancestors, your religion, your skin colour, and the violent actions of a few of your minority group, then you aren't going to be too happy.

Add that to the problems of having usually poor migrant parents who often don't speak the local language, and the lack of any work prospects from predominantly racist employers, and you have young people just asking to be radicalized.

Suseonline,

That is disgusting rubbish. You are shifting responsibility from the offenders to society and ultimately, even blaming the victims themselves. That is the criminal mentality: everyone else's fault but their own.

The offenders exercised their free will, judgement and choice to coldly and deliberately plan and carry out terrorism - which also proves they were not mad either. Diminished responsibility? What rot!

Sure hope there is a Judgement Day and an everlasting hell for them.

OTB, yes, the truth hurts.
There is no way we will ever stop the violence of terrorism until we try to prevent it developing in the young men in the first place.

Muslim people are spread all over the world, so no amount of 'send them back' will ever be practical now, in most cases.
We have to look outside the square, or these troubles will only get worse.

Come off it Suse.

If life is that unpleasant for them, why the hell don't they migrate to where they are welcome.

Of course the answer to that is they are not welcome anywhere, & there is no great first world welfare state to cater to their every need free, anywhere but the west.

The problem is self curing actually. All our welfare states are going broke under the load of supporting a rapidly increasing number of worthless bludgers. Once the west is broke, there'll be no advantage in Muslims living there, & if they have not taken over by then, they will leave, looking for another handout.

"Send them back where they come from" is such a useless argument.
It's one world out there. We all come from it, and we all live in it.
Respect for our differences is good. So is toleration.
And don't heed the hate-mongers, that fear-filled vocal minority, whether in the MSM, in the on-line press or in the more simple-minded comments.
We can get thru these testing times of huge population movements, uncertain futures, confessional misunderstandings and (dare I say it?) climatic turmoil together. Or we can fall by the wayside in our fractious bickering.
The choice is for each of us to make.

Choice!?
What choice did those innocents have, gunned down by hate!

Given that's the root cause of these cold blooded killings.

And if they are native born so what, when they can be offered a one way trip to Syria via a seemingly complicit Turkey, where they no doubt will feel completely at home and able to slake their blood lust to their heart's content; and on each other?

Just as long as they don't expect to be able to return, or a welcome mat in paradise, but rather eternal damnation.

Why on earth would we want them back or allow them to return?

Completely innocent (freedom fighters) for example, should be asked to return to Afghanistan, where trained; and to Taliban co-fighters. Ditto Syria!

And is there all that much difference in killing Australians over there supporting the peace process and or just wanting to, with every fibre of your being? Well?

And will this ever increasing volcano of hate eventually erupt in yet another massacre of entirely innocent civilians?

Send them back where they came from is hypothetical, given it's not possible.

But it is possible to offer them permanent exile, given they are incapable of living in peaceful harmony with anyone; let alone a Christian majority!

And given that is so, why should the vast peaceful majority be asked to tolerate them and their hate-filled hearts/murderous plans for a minute longer than necessary?

And we could start by reexamining some of those we've already allowed in, given their cover stories were never ever supported by any documentation or real evidence!

When some could just as easily be (chain smoking) Serb puppet masters masquerading as Bosnian, i.e., and living among them still, endlessly and cleverly stirred up discontent and trouble?

And profess outrage/racial discrimination, when questioned at our borders, regarding a recent return to Serbia, i.e?

And we could do worse than start to tear down racially specific ghettos, where much of this so called discontent is fomented!

Choice!? Bah humbug!
Rhrosty.

There is a way to get rid of them even if born here.

First just put them on an air force aircraft, land it somewhere in
Syria and kick them out the door without a passport.

Second, face facts and declare war on ISIS and repatriate them as
enemy prisoners of war.

The 1st is illegal of course, but governments do illegal things in extremis.

2nd is a neat legal trick, but as ISIS is pleased to acknowledge
that it has establish a legal state with a formal government and has
promoted action against Australia, it looks like war to me.

See the clip that was censored by MSM. This is the cop that was reportedly executed by these alleged terrorists. There is no blood on the pavement, no gun recoil, no head injuries and the shot completely misses the target. This gun appears to be loaded with blanks.

The gunmen flee the scene leaving their ID in their escape car.They cannot be that stupid. This is like 911 when terrorist passports survived an inferno that burnt bodies to a crisp.

http://stormcloudsgathering.com/charlie-hebdo-shootings-censored-video

I suggest there are reasons for this attack is to bring France in line. France wants to recognise Palestine. France like Germany wants to leave the Euro. France also owes Russia two war ships that are no ready for delivery.

France wants to leave the EU, you must be kidding Arjay.

Without the EU farm subsidies, French farmers would not live a comfortable affluent life, milking just 6 cows. They might need 150 cows like our dairy blokes.

With French farmers tendency to burn down everything in sight, when not featherbedded with other peoples money, they may find their Muslims are less trouble than their farmers, if the handouts were to stop.

Hasbeen I'm talking about the EU currency not trade. Switzerland left the Euro and their currency rose by 30% in one day. The Bank of International Settlements has its base there and the Central Banksters know what's coming. They are going to print the Euro into oblivion and steal via inflation yet again while they are safe in a Swiss Franc.

Arjay, "There is no blood on the pavement, no gun recoil, no head injuries and the shot completely misses the target. This gun appears to be loaded with blanks"

Sorry, but that was discussed at length and debunked in another thread. You may not have seen all of it.

Just to pick up a few obvious problems:

- no apparent blood is consistent with the full metal jacket rounds that would have been used;

- a gas-loading rifle has little apparent recoil to the onlooker and even less would have been noticed where it was not fired at the shoulder. The load for that rifle is mild but unfortunately quite effective;

- the puff of dust off the sidewalk is consistent with normal 'ball' ammunition. It is the remainder of the gas exiting the barrel after firing and exiting of the projectile it was driving; and,

- blanks would have required a threaded blocking cap on the end of the barrel to permit the gas-operated mechanism to work to remove the spent cartridge and load and cock for the next. They stand out as a large round item on the end of the barrel. However no blocking cap is noticeable.

The details of the photo are consistent with the reported use.

Onthebeach you have debunked nothing. A 50 calibre bullet has recoil and if the cop was hit in the head,there would be blood and brains all over the pavement.

The back of JFK'skull was blown out at 150m and this was less than a metre. I Suggest everyone have a close look at this false flag event.http://stormcloudsgathering.com/charlie-hebdo-shootings-censored-video

Why is the jihadi someone else's fault?

Kouachi isn't a classic case of 'prison radicalisation', Kouachi was a classic case of Islamisation, many millions of Muslims around the world support his actions because he followed Mohammed's example of violent jihad. Muslims are quite capable of making up their own minds in regard to interpretations of their religion, it's monumentally arrogant and patronising to assume otherwise.

The multi-cultists don't understand, Western society doesn't produce terrorists, Islam does and has been for 1400 years.

In Arjay's world every major event that happens is driven by an evil conspiracy lead by the West. Not one to ever accept the facts or events as they unfolded at face value but always eager to believe the most unlikely scenario possible.

I'll bet Arjay is followed whenever he leaves the house; surely his phone is tapped and all his email/blogs are monitored given he is one of the few who 'knows the truth'.

One day poor Arjay will be "accidentally" run over or have a mysterious heart attack and none of us will realise he was right all along and the boogie man finally took him out.

Perhaps Arjay's little tinfoil hat needs repair, or rebooting, or something.

Mac, moslems are not free to interpret the Koran as they wish.
That is blasphemy and is punishable by death as practised in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

The Koran is quite specific about that.
Daughters have been murdered because their opinion on modest dress does not match their parents.

Bazz,

"...moslems are not free to interpret the Koran as they wish."

Agreed, however I wasn't referring to individual Muslims, there are still many interpretations depending on the theocrats in charge. I was really disagreeing with the 'radicalisation" idea, i.e. it's all the West's fault and Muslims only "go jihadi" because we Kuffars made them do it. Their religion makes them become terrorists.

Not really Mac, the later chapters are the correct ones and they are the worst. There is no room for debate. They just use the milder ones
when talking to kafirs.

Arjay, I have mentioned this before: don't write about economic or assorted financial topics (e.g. gold) until you have actually researched them. Your understanding of international finance is presently nil, so making any statement is going to cause you embarrassment.

Take this one, for example:

>>Switzerland left the Euro and their currency rose by 30% in one day.<<

The Swiss never joined the Eurozone, so couldn't leave it.

The Swiss Franc - supported over many years by the sort of banking laws that you tell us you despise when they apply to other countries - has been their currency for over two centuries, and that situation is not about to change.

(Incidentally, it may be of interest to you to know that the SFr was unlinked from gold in 2000 - by referendum; a subsequent referendum to re-link them was defeated last November. They're not dumb, these Swiss.)

What happened with the SFr was this: the Sfr was fixed against the Euro for a while. Then they unfixed it.

"The SNB introduced the exchange-rate peg in 2011, while financial markets around the world were in turmoil. Investors consider the Swiss franc as a “safe haven” asset, along with American government bonds: buy them and you know your money will not be at risk. Investors like the franc because they think the Swiss government is a safe pair of hands: it runs a balanced budget, for instance. But as investors flocked to the franc, they dramatically pushed up its value. An expensive franc hurts Switzerland because the economy is heavily reliant on selling things abroad: exports of goods and services are worth over 70% of GDP. To bring down the franc’s value, the SNB created new francs and used them to buy euros. Increasing the supply of francs relative to euros on foreign-exchange markets caused the franc’s value to fall (thereby ensuring a euro was worth 1.2 francs)."

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2015/01/economist-explains-13

Read the rest of the article. Try to understand it as best you can. But next time, do your research before, not after you have made an idiot of yourself.