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Charlie Hebdo: freedom of speech, religion and co-existence : Comments
By Tristan Ewins, published 13/1/2015We need to avoid an escalation of rhetoric which would only polarise our society along religious and ethnic grounds. Here,freedom should ideally be balanced with honest self-criticism.
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Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 9:53:53 PM
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Arjay,
Yes, I've changed my opinion and you changed it for me by putting up the much clearer video and with the still in it. The angle of the rifle, the head and the spray of dust from the shot are all consistent with the gendarme being shot then and there. I'll say it again, the AK 47 is NOT a high powered rifle, it is ballisticly speaking on the PUNY side of medium powered, and as I also said the gunmen could have been using reduced loads which would account for the lack of apparent recoil. Another thing there is no such a thing as a blank bullet, the bullet is the bit that come out the end and does the damage; blank rounds do not have bullets. Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 15 January 2015 12:16:08 AM
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The puff of dust is consistent with the gases exiting the barrel, ie muzzle blast, which is a mite lesser in a gas operated self-loader but still very noticeable.
The offender would have been using fully jacketed projectiles which do not expand when passing through a body, including a head. Even a bone of substantial size might only cause the projectile to yaw, slightly deform the blunt end, but no marked deformation of the tip and no expansion. I found the barrel to be pointing where it was said to have been, at the head. It is entirely possible the bullet channel was not much larger than the bullet width. Hit about where the spine joins the head - the offender seemed to aim for that area as an assassin might do - the result would have been immediate limp paralysis and death very soon after. Apart from that, it is a bit much to imagine that the many independent people and investigators involved in the aftermath would have conspired together. What for? Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 15 January 2015 1:42:20 AM
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Is Mise, "Another thing there is no such a thing as a blank bullet, the bullet is the bit that come out the end and does the damage; blank rounds do not have bullets"
If I might add to that, blank cartridges could not have operated the action of the AK47. There would have to be a threaded cap on the end of the barrel, replacing any flash eliminator. The cap would have stood out like the proverbial dog's balls. But what would have been the point of it? Because it would have ensured that the firearm exploded, seriously injuring the offender if a live round, ie ball ammunition was used. If a blank cartridge and the necessary cap was used, there would not have been that tell-tale puff of expanding gases raising the dust of the pavement. Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 15 January 2015 1:53:32 AM
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Today was the first day I even paid any real attention to these events in Paris. And to be honest I really haven't looked into it that much. I haven't watched the news on TV for over a week and the news articles I saw online I only glanced over briefly. I haven't even seen the video of the police officer being supposedly shot.
But I'm standing next to Arjay with the false flag attack angle on this one. While you were are discussing 'Freedom of Speech V's Respect of Religion' I watched one single video and found out it has nothing to do with any of that stuff at all. It has nothing to do with Islam. Nothing to do with comical satire. And nothing to do with Anti-Semitism. So I'm going to let you all watch the same video I did, and if that's not enough how about a video where Francois Hollande says the Illuminati were behind the Paris attacks and that it has nothing to do with Muslims. This is an article I found "Francois Hollande says Illuminati behind Paris attacks" Watch the first video in the article. http://winteractionables.com/?p=17746 Then watch the interview I first watched... and then WAKE UP!! http://youtu.be/vBzWC3mvwnU How many of you people have wasted the last 4 or 5 days thinking about all this stuff in a completely flawed context I wonder... This whole thing had absolutely nothing at all to do with what you all think it did... Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 15 January 2015 3:11:28 AM
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" I haven't even seen the video of the police officer being supposedly shot."
That says it all. Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 15 January 2015 8:38:43 AM
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He certainly doesn't appear to be shot at all. As you say, there's no impact, no blood, plus there's a puff of smoke about a foot away from his head.
I live on a farm and occasionally kill sheep by point blank shot to the head. The whole body moves violently with the shot, and there's blood straight away, and that's with just a .22 magnum, and the muzzle is closer than in that video.
In my opinion, from what I can see of the zoomed-in slow-motion multiple replays, that guy definitely wasn't shot.
However I can't explain what happened to him, because if that is right, he should be alive. But I thought the media reported him as dead? But if he's not, surely that would have come to light?