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Charlie Hebdo: freedom of speech, religion and co-existence : Comments

By Tristan Ewins, published 13/1/2015

We need to avoid an escalation of rhetoric which would only polarise our society along religious and ethnic grounds. Here,freedom should ideally be balanced with honest self-criticism.

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Cobber,

You are speaking to a preacher's boy. I may have not entered a church in decades, but I have probably forgotten more of the Bible then you know.

Let me remind you that "My kingdom is not of this world" and "give unto Ceasar the things which are Ceasar's and unto god the things that are God's..."

Separation of religion and state is easy in Christianity (in theory), but Islam is as much political as social as religious. For Muslims to fully live the tenets of their religion, Islam must control the political process. Why do you think that Muslims in the UK want (and have gotten) sharia courts? What do you think is the purpose of the islamic State?

Do you know what happens to a non-Muslim under sharia? How can a Muslim believe that the laws of a democratic society, made by men and obviously not perfect, can be better that Allah's perfect law? How can Muslims honesty believe that all people are equal when the Quran makes it very clear that infidels are evil, untrustworthy, sinful people ("lower than animals") while they are righteous paragons of virtue ("the best of people") because of their (blind) faith in Islam? This yet another reason why Muslims have no place in the West.

And yes, you are right -- keep religion away from politics! (even if I doubt that is possible given that both are based on ideals that collide and contrast). But we can always pray, right?
Posted by kactuz, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 1:44:04 PM
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I find this article most offensive. The thought that you can kill someone because they hurt your feelings by saying something against your imaginary friend.
This is Australia and we are are a free country. If anyone cannot handle this then they are free to leave and the sooner the better.
Perhaps the author would be more comfortable somewhere else where the thought of death and injury is used to quiet people who do not agree with him.
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 2:01:56 PM
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What a mealy mouth bit of pacifist clap trap.

Yes Tristan. you can have all the meaningful communication you like, until with Muslims, that is, they are strong enough.

The only communication you will have then is with their sword, as it beheads you.

Talk about a blind man in a fools paradise.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 2:46:38 PM
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JBowyer - There is not anywhere where I excuse Terrorism or murder. I recommend you read the article again and point to exactly where you think I do that... I recognise that there are Sunni and Shia regimes both of which promote repression and barbarity. But that does not justify intervention. Yes - defend ourselves if attacked; But the West has created the IS problem by supporting a proxy war in Syria. Over 200,000 dead. Syria was targeted as an ally of Iran. Iran only felt so bold as to pursue its nuclear program because of the power vacuum after the Second Gulf War. Some of these regimes are barbaric. That's no excuse for thinking we can change them via the barrel of a gun. If we give up on liberalisation and moderation then we will reap what we sow. Yes violent extremists should be excluded from migration... But when it comes to refugees fleeing the conflicts we have helped create - that is a different thing.
Posted by Tristan Ewins, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 7:09:57 PM
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Wishful thinking Tristan.
Posted by jamo, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 7:53:51 PM
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I think Tristan you need to re-read your article and read what I told you. My answer still stands.
How dare you say a fellow Australian has to shut up if they do not believe what you believe or their murder is justified.
You idiots think you will have the support of these crazy muslims and they will let you live if you keep whining that we all have to change? Here is an idea go to Nigeria and use your superlative intellect on boko haram, I reckon they would re-adjust your thinking for you.
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 9:41:17 PM
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