Dear Constance,

Theodore Dalrymple writes about his experiences
with criminals. He was after all a prison doctor.
People that he encountered as part of his job
were criminals. Criminials exist in all religions.
You accuse me of not having a debate with you.
How can there be a debate when you have already
made up your mind - especially about Islam and
Muslims.

I have to second Constance's point:

<<One has only to go into a prison, or at least a prison of the kind in which I used to work, to see the most revoltingly high self-esteem among a group of people ...>>

I have no insight into what happens in prisons-- but i have long noted that a huge percentage of those often characterized as the disadvantaged have a very high quotum of self-esteem and entitlement.

Foxy/Steelie,

Do you ever wonder why we have a Middle Eastern taskforce? Nope.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/Nicolai_Sennels/Muslims_and_Westerners:__The_Psychological_Differences/

http://forum.theodoredalrymple.org/viewtopic.php?p=10175
BBC Radio 4's You and Yours programme today attempted to discuss immigration. Readers might like to listen to it.

"Apparently the vast majority of communication received by the programme was anti mass-immigration. This was not reflected by the calls put through, many people being too afraid to go air on for fear of being called racist.

I thought the presenting was quite fairly handled by Julian Worricker, actually, except at one point:

"A woman called Maureen phoned in (at 23'45" through the programme), clearly nervous and upset. She explained that she was a school dinner lady who was given a discreet cross as a Christmas present, which she wore around her neck. This, however, offended one of her Muslim colleagues (who herself wore a veil). The Muslim made a formal complaint about the lady, who was consequently asked not to wear the cross any longer, or at least to hide it from view so as not to offend the Muslim."

Now tell me, Foxy/Steelie - Do you think Maureen has been fairly treated?

Dear Constance,

Of course she was not fairly treated no more
than us telling Muslim women what they should wear,
what Muslims' should eat, or whether Australian Muslim women
should be permitted to enter our Parliament.

Pot/kettle black.

Dear SPQR,

Talking about self-esteem ...

My husband had a Christian Brothers education -
he went to a Christian Brothers school from
Grade 4 to Year 12 -
and he remembers the Pentridge Catholic Chaplain
visiting his school and giving a talk on "life
after school" and the Chaplain said that the largest
population in Pentridge Prison during that time -
were old boys from Christian Brothers schools.
My husband was not surprised having experienced
the treatment of students by Christian Brothers
teachers.

On the other hand, Foxy, the least number in prisons were from Marist Brothers' schools, which is not surprising, and being myself a product of a Marist education, one of the reasons that I sent my youngest son to a Marist College.