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The Forum > Article Comments > Abbott will soon look like a genius for refusing to drag Australia to yet another climate fiasco > Comments

Abbott will soon look like a genius for refusing to drag Australia to yet another climate fiasco : Comments

By Tom Switzer, published 19/11/2014

Defensive, embarrassing, insular, cringeworthy – this is just a sampler of media comment on Abbott's performance at the G20.

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@SteeleRedux,

You are a masochist for even engaging with Leo Lane. He/she is a "trained by Heartland" contrarian who can only stay on message; obfuscation, denial and ridicule are all valid weapons of the "denier industry".

Taken straight from the playbook of Big Tobacco, the script goes on the same trajectory...cite experts like Bob Carter (even a rank beginner can Google Carter and see for themselves that he is the laughing stock of serious scientific circles), deny it is happening (AGW that is) then when all else fails ask for scientific proof (the scientific principle works on Climate Science proffering a theory and the onus is on LL, IPA, Heartland to prove the hypothesis wrong)
Posted by Peter King, Monday, 24 November 2014 4:45:25 PM
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Leo lane,

"Carter is paid for time-consuming professional work as co-editor of a Heartland publication that rivals the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Assessment report..."

"Heartland makes an impact, not because of money, but because of the power of its ideas, the logic of its arguments and the intellects of the experts it attracts.”

Lol! to the Max!

Here's my favourite Heartland goof up...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute#May_2012_billboard_campaign

"On May 4, 2012, the institute launched a digital billboard ad campaign in the Chicago area featuring a photo of Ted Kaczynski, (the "Unabomber" whose mail bombs killed three people and injured 23 others), and asking the question, “I still believe in global warming, do you?”.... Within 24 hours Heartland canceled the campaign, although its President refused to apologize for it. The advertising campaign led to the loss of substantial corporate funding, the resignation of Institute board members, and the resignation of almost the entire Heartland Washington D.C. office, taking the Institute's biggest project (on insurance) with it....."

"....the power of its ideas, the logic of its arguments and the intellects of the experts it attracts.”

Most impressive : )
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 24 November 2014 5:08:57 PM
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The Wall Street Journal had appropriate comments on Obama’s insensitive and ignorant attitude at the G20
. “Obama made a speech to an Australian version of his political core audience back home—undergraduates at a metropolitan university” and went on
“But the longest passage was an extraordinary riff on climate change that contained astonishing criticism—implied, but unmistakable—of the government led by Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott. Mr. Obama lavished himself with praise for signing, a few days earlier, a climate-change agreement with China that imposes no obligations on Beijing until 2030, “
And…. “Mr. Abbott is a sensible conservative, along the lines of Canada’sStephen Harper . He accepts that climate change is a problem and that greenhouse-gas emissions should be reduced. He is skeptical of climate alarmism and does not believe that the solution lies in onerous carbon taxes or trading schemes in carbon permits, which are notoriously open to corruption and inherently ineffective.”
http://online.wsj.com/articles/greg-sheridan-a-mystifying-obama-climate-slap-at-a-u-s-ally-1416269694
Poirot has been foolish enough in the past to make predictions about Abbott which were one hundred per cent wrong
Our grubby little lefty James O’Neill has been rash enough to make a prediction in his backhanded way. He cannot do worse than Poirot, but will no doubt match her. He seems to have the same grasp of Abbott’s political mastery as she does
Posted by Leo Lane, Monday, 24 November 2014 11:04:07 PM
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Leo Lane,

Getting funnier,

Wow! Murdodch's WSJ carries a piece by right wing Oz journo Greg Sheridan...Amazeballs!

"And…. “Mr. Abbott is a sensible conservative, along the lines of Canada’sStephen Harper . He accepts that climate change is a problem and that greenhouse-gas emissions should be reduced. He is skeptical of climate alarmism and does not believe that the solution lies in onerous carbon taxes or trading schemes in carbon permits, which are notoriously open to corruption and inherently ineffective.”

That would be the Stephen Harper who's decided to leave Abbott out in the cold by contributing to the Green Fund?

"The Abbott government has been left embarrassed on another climate front with key ally Canada indicating that it will support a United Nations climate fund to assist poor nations to cope with global warming."

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/red-faces-for-tony-abbott-on-green-climate-fund-20141117-11oca7.html#ixzz3JzpTV0YZ

But the prize goes to the phrase "Abbott’s political mastery"!

Last week "Abbott’s political mastery" was called into question by at least 3 right-wing cheer-leaders....Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt and the Australian Newspaper. All sorts of things were criticised, even the master choreographer, Credlin.

Bolt: "The Abbott Government must now change or die"
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_abbott_government_must_now_change_or_die/

Jones: "Failing the 'pub test': Alan Jones blasts Tony Abbott over government's free trade deal with China"

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/failing-the-pub-test-alan-jones-blasts-tony-abbott-over-governments-free-trade-deal-with-china-20141116-11o0cp.html

(Plus two critical pieces in The Australian - both now behind paywalls)

The poor old Abbott govt bandwagon appears to be dragging its tail shaft and shedding parts, jerking all over the road as it trundles uncertainly about the Oz political landscape....It's going to take all of Abbott's celebrated "political mastery" just to keep it on the road.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 12:40:21 AM
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Leo Lane once again demonstrates his complete inability to address the issues and resorts, again, to mindless name calling. I am now, in his view, a "grubby little leftist". The leftist label I concede, although to be left of Leo requires only a millimetre of adjustment to the left of Attila the Hun. I am however, neither little nor grubby. I am frankly surprised that Graeme even allowed that post. Clearly, double standards apply.

It may dismay Leo, but the World Bank (another leftist organisation?) has just published its third report commissioned from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and Climate Analytics. According to World Bank President Kim (certainly a "little" man) quoting from the report, "past emissions have set an unavoidable course to warming over the next two decades, which will affect the world's poorest and most vulnerable people the most."

The report, entitled "Turn Down the Heat" has much more to say and those genuinely interested in the effects of climate change (obviously excluding ideologues such as Leo) will read it with concern, World Bank Vice President Rachel Kyte notes that because of greenhouse emissions already released into the atmosphere, the die is already cast for the next twenty years. If we continue down the present path unchecked, the planet will become uninhabitable.

Among the solutions proposed by the World Bank are carbon pricing, shifting investment to clean public transport and clean energy, and more energy efficient factories, buildings and appliances.

I for one am not prepared to gamble my grandchildren's future on the say so of a bunch of scientific illiterates like Leo and his mates.
Posted by James O'Neill, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 9:40:03 AM
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Yes, James O’Neill, our prime minister is not grubby or little, but you chose to use the description, so you can wear it. Should Graham have done something about your inappropriate language?

You have no science to justify your support of the Climate fraud, and pointing out that the World Bank support the fraud does not help your position.

. The effect of human emissions on climate is trivial, and not measurable, which is the reason that there is no science to show any measurable effect of human emissions on climate. Yet the World Bank, against the science, disingenuously states an effect of human emissions, for which there is no scientific basis.

Support for the climate change fraud, since it has no scientific basis, can only be based on ignorance or dishonesty. Since you are ignorant enough to quote the World Bank, on science, you can claim ignorance.

You are a scientific illiterate, James.
Posted by Leo Lane, Tuesday, 25 November 2014 2:30:03 PM
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