@LEGO
Posted Sunday, 19 October 2014 7:40:09 AM
You presume incorrectly.
The neo-Nazis I was referring to are members of the extreme right wing Right Sector and Azov Battalion, and probably other like-minded militant organizations, reporting to the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Ukrainian government. They fly the Swastika and the Wolfsangle, advocate death to all Russian speakers in the Donbass and are responsible (Jay of Melbourne - you are simply wrong on this) for the mass graves now being uncovered in areas they have recently vacated and now being swept for mines by the fighters from the Donbass. They recently marched in Kiev to honour Stepan Bandera who fought alongside the Nazis in WWII.
I agree with your take on the Crimea, and I agree that the air traffic controller who was on the job in Kiev the day the Malaysian airliner MH17 went down has some explaining to do. For instance, was he or was he not aware of Ukrainian fighter jets being in the air and in close proximity to MH17 at the time it went down?
You clearly have no idea what makes me cringe, but here's a hint. I cringe to see the US, Israel, Saudi Arabia and Turkey create, arm and support ISIS and then bomb Syrian infrastructure under the highly bogus claim that they are fighting terrorism. I cringe when I hear Abbott talk of shirt-fronting an international leader of real stature such as President Putin.
And I cringe when the Wallabies kick away a rare chance to beat the All Blacks such as happened last night with less than one minute to full time.

Halduell,
There's more evidence to suggest that Svoboda and the self defence forces are funded by Jewish billionaires and trained and advised by former IDF soldiers than there is to back your case.
http://www.evilyoshida.com/thread-5337.html
I'm an expert in "far right" groups, I know things you don't, the words "far right" mean "for Israel" in 99% of cases, the rest are not genuine.
The SS paraphernalia and Bandera worship don't really mean anything, it's like White kids in Australian suburbs wearing red or blue bandannas and calling themselves "Crips" and "Bloods". You're choosing to believe Russian propaganda over the assurances of the Jewish community in Ukraine that there are no "fascists" at large and the words of the Right Sector leadership themselves:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/13/ukraine-uprising-fascist-coup-grassroots-movement

@Jay of Melbourne
I doubt you are any more of an expert than the rest of us. I don't doubt that you are writing to an agenda. The question is, whose?

None of you have the slightest idea what you are
talking about except that person Hasbeen, seems
like he's got the right idea. Fight fire with
fire.

This month's coveted eggbeater goes to.......Killarney! Well done Killarney! You have put Arjay to shame this month in your masterful ability to blame "the west" for everything that ever went wrong in the world.

Now let's see.

Rwanda was the west's fault because "the west" did nothing about it.

The civil war in Sri Lanka is "the west's" fault because the west did nothing about it.

The civil war in Libya is also "the west's fault" because "the west" did do something about it.

The civil war in the Ukraine is also somehow "the west's" fault.

Seems to me that we are damned if we do, and damned if we don't.

Next. Anyone who suffered in Iraq because of Saddam Hussein's refusal to co operate with UN inspectors, who wanted to find the atomic weapons program he had bragged about constructing, is also the fault of the west

Killarney, please keep up the ridiculous propaganda. It is bizarre reasoning like yours which once prompted me to reassess my own left wing ideals and start thinking straight. If you are going to sprout propaganda, you have to be credible. Because if your reasoning becomes incredible, you are going to do more harm than good to your cause. Most people are not stupid, and if you write absolute rubbish which assumes that they are, sooner or later they are going to wise up that you and everything you believe is nonsense. You would do better to tone it down a bit. Claiming that "the west" is the personification of evil is not going to win you many converts in the west.

I don't know why I am helping you? On second thought, please keep it up. Since reading blithering stupidity like you have just written made me think twice about my own left wing ideals, I presume that there are many other maturing young people out there who can do the same thing.

Funny, isn't it. My post talking about the 8 million killed by the U.S. (a very conservative figure which doesn't allow for the continuing effects of Agent Orange and depleted uranium, etc,) generated no comment from the Yank-loving peanut gallery! What's up? Cat got your tongue?

But then, what's 8 million dead to a peace-loving Christian country like the U.S.A. which loudly claims to be seeking peace while it sells billions of dollars of arms to the world?

Methinks I smell rank hypocrisy!