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Muslims must engage with Islamic ideas that give rise to terrorism : Comments

By Tanveer Ahmed, published 9/10/2014

Those Muslims who cry Islamophobia repeatedly when asked about terrorism and Islam do themselves a disservice by not ­engaging with the ideas inherent in Islam that might lend themselves to actions of violent ­confrontation.

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To Killarney.

Every now and then, somebody on OLO makes a statement that is so stupid that it is breathtaking.

Muslims believe that Islam is perfect and must not be criticised. To criticise Islam is "blasphemy", and the penalty for blasphemy is death. How is it that your memory is so bad that you have already forgotten what happened with Salmon Rushdie, Theo van Gogh, and the furores over the Danish cartoons and the movie "The Life of Mohammad"? How you as a supposedly intelligent person can defend a religion which considers itself above criticism, and will kill anybody who points out it's too obvious flaws, is beyond me. Read Tanveer Ahmad's article again and read in black and white how a couple of the world's most "respected" Muslim jurists think it is OK to kill the "enemies" of Islam.

Socialism was a social and economic catastrophe in every country it was tried in, and the USA was absolutely right in doing whatever it needed to do to prevent it's spread. Islam is even more backward than Socialism, and the cause of most of the serious strife, poverty, ignorance, and terrorism around the world. The more Islamic a country is, the more of a social and economic basket case it is. But who do you criticise? The USA of course. Islam gets a free pass, in the same way that Socialist mass murderers like Stalin and Mao got a free pass from people who think like you.

The most stupid thing the west has ever done was to listen to "humanitarians" like yourself and commit social suicide by importing Muslims into our own countries. Take a look at the chaos in the middle east and extrapolate forward a hundred years and that is what will happen in our own western countries. The portents are already here, and already people like yourself already are blaming your own civilisation for the coming problem. It is odd that the USA who is so adept at fighting the enemies without, are totally myopic about importing Muslims who will one day be the enemy within.
Posted by LEGO, Saturday, 11 October 2014 3:31:44 AM
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Killarney
So you're opposed to the enforcement of all the policies you advocate?
Posted by Jardine K. Jardine, Saturday, 11 October 2014 8:07:58 AM
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Kilarney,

"Had a good look at the Talmud and the Old Testament lately? They take 'violent ideology' to the level of an art form."

Agreed, however, I wasn't defending Christianity or Judaism, Christianity which takes its inspiration from the New Testament, wasn't a violent religion initially, unlike Islam.
So, my comment still stands, 'Islam's violent ideology is far older than Western imperialism' and it's older than the Crusades.

I'm not a Christian BTW.
Posted by mac, Saturday, 11 October 2014 8:16:08 AM
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Killarney,

"JKJ

No, I don't 'remember'. What on earth are you talking about?"

Some explanation required here:

JKJ employs that particular accusation in every second post he makes to posters in general who he thinks support "government"...ie "democracy".

The thread doesn't have to be about "government"...JKJ just identifies you as a "progressive" and then proceeds to paste you with the accusation that you support govt instituted violence to make you pay your taxes, etc....

So then he just merrily goes about accusing anyone he pleases of supporting government violence against citizens.

He does that because he is bereft of any real debating skills and relies on a hackneyed and (by now) motley collection of "zingers" to ingratiate himself into the conversation - while simultaneously impugning the target of his "zing" (and their intelligence)

Hope that explains things, Killarney : )
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 11 October 2014 8:28:05 AM
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Both Christians and Muslims have done horrendous things and they can and should be compared, the big difference is that Christians who do such violence are going against the teachings of their Founder whereas Muslims who do such violence are following the teachings of their founder.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 11 October 2014 9:28:54 AM
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'the big difference is that Christians who do such violence are going against the teachings of their Founder whereas Muslims who do such violence are following the teachings of their founder. '

yes Mise its obvious the regressives always ignore that simple fact. It is also obvious that secularist have done great evil in accordance to their moral relativism dogmas which allow them to commit every perversion and violence under the sun. That is why they justify Islam and continue to be Christophobic to the maz.
Posted by runner, Saturday, 11 October 2014 9:56:04 AM
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