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Muslims must engage with Islamic ideas that give rise to terrorism : Comments

By Tanveer Ahmed, published 9/10/2014

Those Muslims who cry Islamophobia repeatedly when asked about terrorism and Islam do themselves a disservice by not ­engaging with the ideas inherent in Islam that might lend themselves to actions of violent ­confrontation.

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Tanveer Ahmad wants to defend his murderous and misogynist religion, and he is really clever about it. He knows that to many people now know that the holy scriptures of Islam are the problem. He knows that the scriptures order Muslims to kill non believers, homosexuals, apostates, and blasphemers, and to use military force to conquer the world for Islam. He is smart enough not to deny it because he knows the texts exist and that the "hate mongers, racist and bigots" who oppose his evil religion can prove it..

Tanveer's tactic is to claim that "millions" of Muslims reject the violence sanctified in the Koran and the Hadiths towards Islam's critics and competitors, although he does not suggest what proportions of Muslims agree with Sharia Law and violent Jihad to conquer the world, compared to those who do not. His implication, not supported by any figures, is that most Muslims do not agree with their own religions stated aims.

That this may be a bit hard to believe, is supported by Tanveers own report that the most revered Muslim Jurists have come right out and said that ISIS should only kill those who oppose Islam. Yeah, right. Thank you for that one, Tanveer.

OK, if your own most revered Islamic jurists now stand revealed as violent nut cases who support the idea of killing infidels, then here is a great way for the "millions" of "moderate" Muslims in the west who are "not violent" to criticise their own religious leaders. But you and I know that they will never do that. Because they either do not exist, or if they do exist, they are terrified of being killed by their own co religionists for "opposing" Islam. Muslim who criticise Islam or Islamic religious leaders are "blasphemers", and the penalty for blasphemy in Islam is death. Ask Salmon Rushdie about that.

It just goes to show that the supposedly evil "Islamophobes, hate mongers, racists and bigots" who are NOT walking down George street, Sydney, waving "behead those who defend Islam" were right all along
Posted by LEGO, Friday, 10 October 2014 6:15:14 AM
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Dear LEGO,

With all due respect Muslims are speaking out and
have done so for some time. All you have to do is
Google the question - "Why aren't Muslims speaking
out?" and there are plenty of websites that will
show you that they in fact are speaking out.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 10 October 2014 7:23:01 AM
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"Well, if you've got plenty of bombs to drop, the truth doesn't really matter, does it?"

Killarney said this to Runner. It contains a truth that says a great deal about the human monsters!

Unfortunately, this is the mindset of billions of people in the world. As you read this, the U.S., surrounded by its Killer Allies, is bombing people in the Middle East. The U.S. has plenty of bombs. And the world's biggest army. And, since WW2, it has killed millions.

Yes, bombs and guided missiles are hitting their targets in Kobane and bits of humans: men, women, kids, achieve great heights then fall back to Earth. They shudder for a short time then they become still and their blood, still warm, sinks beneath the desert sands.

And in lounge-rooms across the world people cheer, sick people, people who think that killing is great, people who make money from war, people who love seeing brutal military power tearing apart defenseless, so-called 'enemies'.

Yeah, Australian military personnel are involved as they have been many times before, whenever the U.S. clicks its fingers in fact.

But people have become so inured to killing, that they can't see that such behavior in a nuclear-armed world can have only one conclusion: HUMAN EXTINCTION.

p.s. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work that out. Just open your eyes occasionally!
Posted by David G, Friday, 10 October 2014 7:51:23 AM
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The following link may help:

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/muslims-are-speaking-out-but-no-one-is-listening-20140930-10nktr.html
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 10 October 2014 8:00:06 AM
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Quoted from Foxy’s link –
‘The irony is that the real antidote to Islamic State's poison is Islam itself.’

The real antidote to Islamic State’s poison is not Islam because Islam can never be an antidote to any poison. No religion helps fix anything. It just drugs people into avoiding the truth that life can be tough. You have to find appropriate ways that help deal with it and these ways are the ways that are inherent in our human nature.

We should not listen to anyone who thinks that religion is the answer to any problem. People who think this way are in fact part of the problem because they refuse to play their part in making a better society. Resorting to primitive behaviour to deal with any problem only compounds the problem. If some people are trying to solve problems using reason and logic and others are trying to hang on to their primitive ways of solving problems then it is inevitable that you will have conflict. That conflict can lead to violence and violence leads to self-defence.

Anyone who suggests that Islam can solve Islam’s problems is desperately trying to put a square peg in a round hole. You can be an apologist for Islam until you are blue in the face but religious behaviour will never be rational behaviour. Until we reach that starting point where reason is the only accepted method for problem solving then we will get nowhere. We should challenge everyone who says that Islam is a peaceful religion – there is no such thing as a peaceful religion. Every act of religious behaviour is a drain on society and civilisation is weakened by it. The more we challenge that the better off we will be.

Religion has absolutely no redeeming features so let’s not listen to anyone who would try and paint it as something ‘beautiful’ that happens to have a few bad apples.
Posted by phanto, Friday, 10 October 2014 10:49:32 AM
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the following link might also give a few insights to those who remain deliberately ignorant. not light reading

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/10/08/muslim-man-in-manhattan-performs-female-genital-mutilation-on-his-young-wife-after-anally-raping-her/

of course nothing to do with Islam
Posted by runner, Friday, 10 October 2014 10:49:39 AM
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