More Muslim negatively, I mean we are talking about helping these people?

Tally

Exactly Tully exactly!
Rhrosty.

The article sorely needed a link to the Open Letter. This is very probably the Open Letter (English Version) Tanveer Ahmed is referring to http://lettertobaghdadi.com/14/english-v14.pdf

On the first page is an "Executive Summary" summarising the Letter - with the Letter starting on second page. Note that 126 Islamic scholars have signed it.

No two Muslims have the same view of Islam. Like all religions you cherry pick the bits that you need to cope with your life and you reject the rest. One person will say that a certain behaviour is fundamental to being a Muslim whilst another will dismiss it as being peripheral.

You cannot dialogue with Muslims. Dialogue is a function of reason and logic. Muslims appropriate the behaviours that they think will help them deal with the secular world in which they find themselves. When they are afraid they reach for the Koran or fondle their beads. When they are angry they comfort themselves by convincing themselves that all injustice will be squared up by a God who may or may not exist. When they feel guilty because they have done wrong they convince themselves that they only need God’s forgiveness. This is how they deal with their own feelings.

What threatens them more now than ever before in the global village is that they see others who do not need to respond to reality in this way. People who fight for justice and peace and acknowledge their guilt, in ways that nature intended us to, make them question their own behaviour. When they were not confronted by alternative ways they had less need to become aggressive but now there is no denying that Islam has opposition. The west is not perfect but it has developed beyond the need to respond to reality without resorting to such primitive ways.

It is futile to enter into arguments with people who respond to life in this way. You can never convince them by reason since their behaviour is not based on reason. The more exposed to reason and logic they are the more they will be forced to find better ways. Already the next generation is rejecting such religions and in time they will die out in the east as they have in the west. We need to just keep asserting who we are and trust in that.

Well what do you know, David G has come up with a good idea.

Then add Rhrosty's ideas of repatriation, to lets call it to country of heritage, so it covers those born here, who seem to be the worst.

Yep provided this is done before the nuking we get the whole problem fixed in one go. Good thinking there boys, you've done well.

I don't know if, "Clerics and Capitalists need to be got rid of before they take us all to hell" as David says, but we sure need to get rid of the ratbag greenie do gooders, before they destroy us all.

Careful there David, I think your halo is slipping.

Hasbeen...your a joy in any sense:)

I guess that's why your here and not in government:)

Tally