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Are Australia's actions in Iraq boosting revenge terrorism? : Comments

By Peter Coates, published 19/9/2014

The Abbott Government's contention that Australia's return to Iraq will not increase the terrorism risk at home is dangerously contrived.

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Yes indeed DavidG.
The Russian separatists (no doubt mainly 'white'!) who shot down the Malaysia airlines plane earlier this year spring immediately to mind....
Posted by Suseonline, Sunday, 21 September 2014 12:26:10 PM
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Is the Government exploiting Thursday's terrorism raids by placing terrorism legislation before Parliament this week? Beagle Bobbing Shorten is likely to yes-boss all of these new laws. Excerpts of what has been reported on SBS today:

“police could - without a warrant - arrest someone simply on suspicion of committing a terrorism offense.

The changes will also make it easier for police to apply control orders to limit the movement and activities of people suspected of being involved in terrorism.

But…Brandis says the new legislation will be measured and that there will be safeguards to ensure the laws will not target any particular group.

[Brandis said] "I will expect that Labor will support this provision. [Brandis] lashed out at "red herring" claims that the new laws would allow for torture.

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/09/21/backlash-over-plan-strengthen-terrorism-law
Posted by plantagenet, Sunday, 21 September 2014 12:26:21 PM
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Can we bring this post back to the original article and the serious questions that were posed. Unfortunately it has provided yet another opportunity for the seriously bigoted and ignorant to indulge in one of their all too common and predictable rants.

Are our historical memories so short? There was no ISIL or al Qaeda in Iraq or Syria before we joined the US in an illegal invasion based on a whole series of self serving lies. Saddam may have been a bastard, but there was no sectarian warfare, no suicide bombers, no depleted uranium, and no foreign troops despoiling one of the world's most ancient civilisations. All that changed in 2003.

Nine years of occupation were not exactly covered in glory and the place was an even bigger mess when we left. Some might argue that was the intention in the first place, given the expanded role of western oil companies, the threat to the dollar safely diminished, and the Yinon plan of breaking up the Middle East into small warring factions well on its way to completion.

Now we are going back in, yet again at the behest of the Americans who caused the mess in the first place. What sane person would seriously expect a better result this time? Even if Obama's ostensible mission to "degrade and destroy" ISIS is achieved, what is to prevent yet another bunch of fanatics popping up and pointing, with more than a little justification, at the Crusaders doing their imperialist thing again for nobody's benefit than their own.

When one adds to the mix the fact that ISIS and many like groups before it are creations in one form or another of the Americans, timely resurrections are almost guaranteed. In the meantime Australia introduces yet more repressive laws, all justified under the mantra of "keeping us safe from terrorism".

A number of posters pose the question of what else can one do than what we are doing. Well, there are a lot of options. Stop repeating the mistakes of the past would be a very good start.
Posted by James O'Neill, Sunday, 21 September 2014 1:42:22 PM
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James O'Neill first sniffs that the people he doesn't like are causing OLO posts to go off topic, and then he goes off topic himself with his own particular "hate the USA" rants.

The USA had just as much right to invade Iraq as it did to invade Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan. You ask if we are unable to remember the mistakes of the past, and I say that is exactly what we have done. We are not going to sit by and let military dictators with embark on wars of conquest without nipping their aspirations in the bud. Saddam Hussein had become a threat to world peace and a threat to the vital oil supplies from the middle east to the rest of the world.

My take is, that the whole world secretly applauded the yanks while keeping their distance when it came to helping them, because they did not want to get their hands dirty doing what needed to be done.

Al Qaida and ISIS, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, and Jemiah Islamiah are not inventions of the USA. They are manifestations of Muslim militancy and religious bigotry. They are the result of a proud but failing religious civilisation which can not understand why it's God has forsaken them and allowed them to become the most poverty stricken civilisation on Earth. Instead of reforming their religion, the stupid bastards think that Allah has abandoned them because THEY ARE NOT RELIGIOUS ENOUGH.

That is why the whole Islamic world is becoming fundamentalist, and the fundamentals of Islam are a real problem. Because it is the most violence endorsing and intolerant religion around.

The western intellectuals who consider themselves to be the children of Voltaire and Thomas Paine should by rights be cheering on the USA and watching in glee at the death throws of Islam. But today's crop of psuedo-intellectuals are not real smart and rather incredibly, go into bat for religious stupidity while sneering at the USA, the leader of the secular western democracies. It is enough to make Voltaire turn in his grave.
Posted by LEGO, Sunday, 21 September 2014 2:49:34 PM
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Jay of Melbourne - the topic of this thread heading was "Are Australia's actions in Iraq boosting revenge terrorism?"

I'm baffled how it evolved, for you, into a discussion of how hard done by the white people are in Australia.

"Where are the pro White advocates on the multicultural bodies?
Where are the explicitly White cultural groups at the multicultural festivals?"

And then this gem - We are a distinct ethnic group of the southern hemisphere. Can you please define what qualifies one to be included in you concept of the white ethnic group. I've got white skin, my ancestry is Scottish, English and possibly a dab of French but I was borne outside of Australia. Do I qualify?

I wonder if perhap you mistakenly identifying the Australian bogan as a distinct ethnic group to which you belong?
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Sunday, 21 September 2014 2:50:15 PM
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Australian action in creating terrorists, or should I say Abbott and Shorten is a definate YES, also Gillard,we must not let her off the hook, It is not the Australian people, only the Government, we did not give Abbott a pre election mandate to go to war with anyone.
Abbott is a warmonger, no soonere had flight MH17 hit the ground than Russia was the culprit, do not open your big mouth until you are a 100% sure, we must remember although not hi-lited in the West a fighter jet was in the vicinity at that time with a machine gun (Malaysian post), China is also on his hit list, of course with the other warmongering country the US.
Religion is the cause of nearly all strife in this world, it is created by indoctrination from adult to child, hate creates more hate in the gullible. Two adopted pre muslim children living nearby do not recognise that religion because their new parents are not of that faith, so adults create the problem in the first place.
Demonstrations will soon become illegal under the Abbott Government, as this type of getting your views across could be harbouring all sorts of terrorists, big brother will now be watching your every move, of course torture will be the order of the day although denied by Government.
When in Morocco a few years back the US was hated by them, Australia was a loved country, but I daresay owing to the last two Governments and crawling up the US backside we have now joined the US.
Yes! Abbott has created a country for terrorism and we are now I daresay on their hit list, but terrorists don't use the ordinary Australian people to prove a point, get to the ones who have created the problem.
Posted by Ojnab, Sunday, 21 September 2014 3:03:41 PM
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