Halduell/Arjay/Waleed,

" .... a couple of beheadings" ? Is that all you can go on about ? Not the thousands of Iraqi prisoners murdered ? Not the thousands of Yazidis butchered ? The children beheaded ? The women enslaved ? The ancient Christians, who have never butchered anyone ? The hundreds of thousands of Christians, Yazidis, Turkmens and Kurds driven out of their homes ?

So where have the US butchered and enslaved and driven out thousands of innocent people in this conflict ?

What a bunch of contemptible opportunists some of you have become. Left and extreme Right, it's hard to tell the difference these days.

And then scraping the bottom of some sh!tty barrel, in order to wriggle out of your apologies for ISIS, some of you on the once-Left, come up with the notion that al-Baghdadi is actually a Jew. So the Jews are to blame for all those massacres !

You turn my stomach.

Joe

Hi Joe-Loudmouth

Much of what you say is true. My main concern with Western “boots…” is that wherever the US goes and Australia follows, previously non-aligned Muslims join the radicals and oppose Western forces. The fighting lasts for years until the West has the sense to withdraw - as it previously did in Iraq, is doing in Afghanistan – even earlier did in Vietnam. The alternative is to fight forever.

Also Western "boots..." encourages the Iraqi and Afghan armies to give up, surrender or just sit around. No amount of Western arms or training seems to work.

I agree that its true that the US has many sins but even truer that ISIL (which is not a US creation) is far worse.

Claims that ISIL’s boss is Jewish are bizarre. The ISIL rank and file would dislike Jews even more than Christians or Shiites. Noting that Israel has backed the Kurds (now ISIL's main local enemy in Iraq) since 2003 .
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G'dayBruce

No worries mate. You may be WRONG but you’ve been given a Mentioned in Dispatches and two minties.
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Hi halduell

Yes Abbott’s more ambitious military ideas (particularly in Ukraine) have actually been held back by Obama’s comparative moderation. Abbott is clearly frustrated that Obama is not a Bush dynasty Republican.
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Hi James O'Neill

Yep there’s much in Ackland’s article which is http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/19/sydney-dawn-counter-terrorism-raids-why-now-and-why-so-few-answers

ISIL’s Boss man seems much into carving out a viable economic state (paid for by oil and protection money) to fund territorial expansion and terrorism. More like a young Gaddafi or Saddam than a bin Laden.

DG, I don't know how you came by the assumption that I'm in the least happy with the world the way it is, no realist could be.
I simply don't delude myself that feelgoody lovehugs among the privileged West will ever achieve anything concrete.
Meetings and street-marches may in time achieve change locally, maybe, but they have never and will never dissuade the nasty people with the guns to change their ways.
Put bleakly, far too many of our supposed intelligentsia seem to have their heads so full of Heaven they're no Earthly use!

Pete,
Ackland's article is on the money, the fraud squad and ATO could have handled the money exchange and the Middle Eastern crime squad the threats to kill, quietly and discretely like they usually do.
The only thing is that it's difficult to be discrete in those areas, as soon as Police enter their neighbourhoods the inhabitants start firing off text messages to all the local hotheads and a simple arrest warrant turns into a public order issue where the riot squad have to deal with dozens of bystanders and protestors trying to intimidate and obstruct the Police.
Unless you're going to have plain clothes officers in white vans pouncing on people when the opportunity arises and then speeding away before anyone notices the troops and the helicopters are what's needed, these aren't normal suburban streets where people are content to peep through the curtains or stand at their gate in their dressing gowns and watch the drama.

Welcome to this rushed and unplanned mass immigration boost and “multicultural policies”, fronted and sold to public as a world changing egalitarian and human rights project but actually motivated almost entirely by big business and vulgar levels of greed and selfish disregard for the world’s future generations [since they will not be around to suffer any consequences].

I like the notion that all people are worth equal and should be given maximum chances to live in dignity and freedom. However this does not as some rule embedded in the physics of the universe mean that ANY road that looks like it will lead to this utopia [e.g. our current migration and multicultural plans] is genuine or even honest, and especially it does not mean that no attempt like these should be challenged.

What’s next?
If Australia ands up at war with India to attempt to force India to stop enslaving hundreds of millions of people and to start being serious about rights and morals, will our Indian community vote to vetoe our national voice because they hold a truer allegiance to some place they may have never been to?
Racism and tribalism is the ingredient in the muslim extremist thing and will be in many more to come from numerous different tribes and cultures that may still have a bigoted and racist supremacist outlook.

Get this you morons.Most wars are bankers wars,since wars make the profits that enable the most power for their elite fascists.

Who created Saddham ? It was the USA but Saddham got too ambitious and started trading oil in EUROS, thus undermining the US $.Henry Kissenger in 1971 who came up with the idea of the Petro $ thus eliminating gold as the backing for money. This was the beginning of huge inflation.
A little while ago both China and Russia were part of this concept of a New World Order, however the USA went into over drive on money printing trying to reduce their debt to the rest of the world but mostly to China.

China has used US $ to buy lots of gold to off set this US debt of $3 trillion. This is why China and Russia are now being demonised. They want their own BRICS development bank ,free of Western debt slavery.