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Babette's Feast behind a steel mesh fence : Comments

By Babette Francis, published 15/9/2014

Minorities mob the World Congress of Families with intolerance, and the land of the fair go looks on with seeming indifference.

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Well at the end of the day, as so ably described by you, it was, I believe, all about you and your seriously narrowed minded views Babette.
And possibly explains why you and your narrow views, were "diplomatically" rejected by so many venues or bailing speakers.
Similarly, the equally informed and intellectual tea party movement, can't understand why support is leaving them in droves, even by committed Christians?
Christians who patently no longer wish to beat or hear the drum of blah blah intended preferential disadvantage and discrimination!
Neither of which is any part of a true esoteric Christian message.
Little wonder groups like Isil are winning the battle for hearts and minds, when Christians are allegedly misrepresented by extremely narrow-minded/narrow focus, vociferous groups like yours?
If J.C. were to walk among us today, and given his well reported preferences and predilection for almost exclusive male company; and alleged preferred celibacy?
Your group, first and foremost, I believe, would have been pushing and jostling to get on the bandwagon, to condemn him as a faggot!?
I hope you had plenty of "tea" to wash down that feast Babette?
A steel mesh fence Babette?
Be careful what you wish for!
Rhrosty
Posted by Rhrosty, Monday, 15 September 2014 1:07:31 PM
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I may disagree with them but they too deserve the ability to hold their meetings without threat, the ferals behaviour was inexcusable and indefensible. Yes, they too had the right to be there and to protest, but not to aggressively interfere as they do so often, especially in scaring off our timorous pollies.
I for one would like to know where any and all elected "members" stand on these and associated issues, wouldn't you?
Posted by G'dayBruce, Monday, 15 September 2014 1:49:21 PM
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Bruce summed it up for me. I don't agree with much of what Babette has to say however my disagreement is considerably stronger in regards to those who use intimidation to shut down others rights to a peacefull meeting. I've not seen any sign that Babette and those likely to attend meeetings organised by her would be inciting violence against others, there are aspects of what they push for that I consider a form of violence by government but less so than what many others advocate for.

I've not seen coverage of the protests against Babette's feast to get an idea how credible her claims ar but have seen enough of the tactics used at other events that have attracted the sort of protest described by Babette to consider her story credible.

No idea how in practice we can stop the sort of vermin who consider those tactics legitimate though without creating a larger problem.

R0bert
Posted by R0bert, Monday, 15 September 2014 2:28:00 PM
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This is rich coming from those that vilify and denigrate homosexuals, lie about abortion, display the vilest elitism, intolerance and bigotry and try to force their backward views on the rest of us.

Just another bunch of extremist godbotherers whining because someone stood up to them and their hate dogma.
Posted by mikk, Monday, 15 September 2014 3:08:00 PM
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Good God, what a self-serving piece of writing.

I think you lost the plot when you decided to describe the protesters of your event 'ferals'. As far as I could tell (one protester perhaps excepted) all the protesters did was to explain the agenda of WCF to people and state they would protest the event. Hardly behaviour all that threatening. I have seen worse behaviour by those picketing abortion clinics.
Posted by Agronomist, Monday, 15 September 2014 3:54:36 PM
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Robert,
You deal with them like so;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0fFi0j1GMQ
Then you get some friendly hackers or internet snoops to compile a page like this (trigger warning, scantily clad SJW's) and post their personal details, address etc for all the world to see.
http://imgur.com/a/eKSiN
Then, if possible you get them to make an even bigger fool of themselves by explaining their actions, and being narcissists they always rise to the bait:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAddCgWSbTU
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Monday, 15 September 2014 4:10:31 PM
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and yet every mosque in Austrailia holds more extreme views when it comes to homosexuals, abortion etc. What gutless cowards these feminist and hangers on are. They are nothing more than Christopobes supported by the 'progressive' moderates who would not dare hold a placard let alone prostitute themselves in front a mosque like they did the other day.
Posted by runner, Monday, 15 September 2014 5:11:40 PM
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runner wrote
"and yet every mosque in Austrailia holds more extreme views when it comes to homosexuals, abortion etc."

Yeah and they can get stuffed too.
You're all the same.
Insane superfairy worshiping fools who use your god as a weapon of hate and bigotry.
Especially your sort of filthy happy clappers runner.
Posted by mikk, Monday, 15 September 2014 8:09:33 PM
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mikk

thanks for illustrating my point
Posted by runner, Monday, 15 September 2014 10:03:04 PM
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Congratulations to Babette for her efforts to make the World Congress of Families a success despite all odds.
The most the radical left could muster in an attempt to shut down the Congress numbered 44 protesters. The behaviour of this unruly mob was a typical example of cultural thuggery. No logical debate, only attempts to prevent those with whom they disagreed from speaking.

The United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights recognises the family as "the natural and fundamental group unit of society [which is] entitled to protection by society and the State". The same article states that men and women have a right to marry and to found a family. The natural family is under relentless attack by those who seek to call any group of relationships a family. This is contrary to science and to human reason.
Posted by Nona Florat, Monday, 15 September 2014 10:33:00 PM
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Colour me puzzled.

>>The most the radical left could muster in an attempt to shut down the Congress numbered 44 protesters.<<

So we are treated to a long and whingeing diatribe about a meeting for four hundred people, that was protested by forty-four "ferals".

Wow. Hold the front page.
Posted by Pericles, Monday, 15 September 2014 11:07:00 PM
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>>I have seen worse behaviour by those picketing abortion clinics.<<

Do abortion clinics in Australia have to keep on changing their venues (and doctors) because of the pressure exerted on them by picketers and politicians who support the picketers’ views?
Posted by George, Monday, 15 September 2014 11:17:49 PM
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Babette, I actually enjoyed the writing style of your article.
You write quite well.

It is such a pity you have involved yourself with all the loony toons that go for this 'natural family (AKA Christian Family)' .
You couldn't get a gig because your group's views are simply archaic.
If Runner is on your side, I am definitely not!

Can you not see the futility of this 'anti -every -other -family- than-a-married-Christian-family' stance that you and a few others (mainly middle aged religious males) stand for?

There are so few of these biblical families of the past left now.
Homosexuality and abortion are legal now.
So is living together without marriage.
So is having babies outside marriage.

You guys have missed the Ark .....so to speak.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 12:55:36 AM
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'Danny Nalliah sat inside the fence with a megaphone and assured the ferals that "Jesus loves you and I love all of you too".'

And how was this childish taunting supposed to improve relations? If this is the level at which your group interacts with its critics, it can expect plenty more opposition in future.
Posted by Jon J, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 6:56:20 AM
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Babette,

I don't believe you've quite got the hang of Christian inclusiveness...breaking down the barriers, so to speak.

(Perhaps you've been misguided by referencing "runner's Guide to Hate Speech in the Service of Christianity")

".... but with the ferals threatening there would be l,000 protestors blocking entrances...."

"...It has been a pleasure to deal with them and also with the "intelligence" division which kept me informed of estimated feral numbers....."

"....The local police provided excellent protection so all registrants got in safely and all but one of the 50 ferals were kept out....."

".... One feral stripped down to her waist and painted her nipples bright blue. This was the most intellectual argument of the day on the feral side of the fence..."

"Danny Nalliah sat inside the fence with a megaphone and assured the ferals that "Jesus loves you and I love all of you too"..."

"....One lady emailed to say she loved being escorted by the police through the yelling ferals and had not had such an exciting day for years..."

Loverly!
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 8:09:32 AM
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My wife and I had the pleasure of attending and speaking at the Regional Gathering for those who are passionate to support life, babies, mothers and fathers, families and freedom. My allotted subject was the challenge of getting parents particularly Dads to love their children.

What I found peculiar was after driving for an hour out into the supposedly peaceful suburbs of Melbourne I was confronted with a a group of about 50 angry demonstrators who screamed out fascist and other words that I dare not print in such illustrious company. It was not so much a demonstration as a hate fest but then again I am probably biased.

The protest reminded me of the anti war marches I used to attend in the early seventies in Sydney CBD when the police used to kick me and my Marxist friends. They used many rude descriptive words when they did it. I remember at one of those peace marches I saw an old man get kicked to the ground by police. It was quite horrific.

Apparently before I got there an older woman who was trying to get in was pushed to the ground by the demonstrators. Now it seems the boot is on the other foot and my Marxist and anarchist friends are the ones doing the kicking.

Warwick Marsh
Posted by Warwick Marsh, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 11:34:17 AM
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I think that Australians need to revisit the issue of freedom of speech and expression. This is not a lone example of people failing to respect the right of someone to express and unpopular point of view. Legislation on hate speech and vilification might seem like a good idea but like all such legislation it is not cost free in terms of reduction of freedom. Such legislation should be CONFINED TO THE MOST EXTREME CASES otherwise it might seriously abridge freedom of speech and expression. I would suggest that there are other ways of coping with such problems. People have a right to demonstrate against meetings and conferences that they find offensive but not to prevent the event being held. The protesters could have organized their own event to counter what Mrs Francis and her colleagues were advocating.
Posted by Gadfly42, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 12:28:41 PM
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Yea Poroit you have shown time and time again that you can easily label something hate speach when you disagree. Usually when your own dogmas are exposed for what they are. I would be very afraid if I was on your page. As I said in my post the self interest of the feminist is so easy to see as they boycott any protest against those who truely do hate them.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 12:43:10 PM
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Runner, I haven't seen it written anywhere that those protesters were all feminists?
That's like saying that all anti- abortion protesters are mad religious fundamentalists.
Were you at the meeting in question, and did you check if all the protesters were feminists?

It is often reported that many of these protesters at any of these controversial events are really just 'professional protesters' who love violence and confrontation as a passtime!
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 3:18:50 PM
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suse,
The counter protest was organised by groups called Radical Women and Progressive Atheists Inc their spokeswoman gave interviews explicitly describing it as a Radfem event and both groups are outspokenly Feminist in their views according to their Facebook pages.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 3:28:58 PM
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Really JoM?
Must have been a few dozen feminist males I saw on TV amongst the protesters for the Family Conference then?

I hope you aren't suggesting it is only feminists and atheists who are against the anti-choice, homophobic, radical Christians amongst this little Tea Party group, because you would be wrong.
If they had any support in the community at large at all, they would have been able to access more than a mad splinter group's hall for their little conference.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 7:48:28 PM
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'If they had any support in the community at large at all, they would have been able to access more than a mad splinter group's hall for their little conference. '

yep Susie as one person I can't recall said that the further a
community moves from the truth the more repulsive the truth seems to people. You and Poirot demonstrate that well.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 8:09:33 PM
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"Do abortion clinics in Australia have to keep on changing their venues (and doctors) because of the pressure exerted on them by picketers and politicians who support the picketers’ views?"

Well George, I don't know. But I do know that groups picketing abortion clinics in the US, where the WCF hails from, have not been above setting off bombs, setting fire to clinics and shooting doctors.
Posted by Agronomist, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 8:51:43 PM
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Thank you, runner.

Every time you post your derision, it merely serves to demonstrate the "inner runner".

I know many Christians - and none of them spits venom in order to accentuate their faith.

The venom you spit comes form "runner".

It's a shame you use your Christianity as a shield from behind which to fire your darts.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 9:01:53 PM
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Agronomist,

>>groups picketing abortion clinics in the US, where the WCF hails from, have not been above setting off bombs, setting fire to clinics and shooting doctors. <<

Does this mean that WCF in Australia should be politically hunted down and made to change their venue and speakers the way described in this article just because things worse than that happened against abortion clinics in the country “where the WCF hails from”? Where is the relevance? Can you give us a quote where Babette, or somebody speaking on behalf of WCF, publicly supported “setting off bombs, setting fire to clinics and shooting doctors”?

I have never heard of WCF before, but here in Europe you have all sorts of gatherings, Gay Pride, Pro Family, Gender Mainstreaming marches, conferences, etc with ideological and political supporters of the ones or the others. The point is not so much whom you support but whether the political and social system you support allows for free speech whether or not the particular position taken agrees with your personal convictions.
Posted by George, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 11:02:39 PM
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'It's a shame you use your Christianity as a shield from behind which to fire your darts.

probably more of a shame Poirot that your ideology supports killing the unborn and that you also seem to back ferals who don't believe in free speach.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 12:18:38 AM
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I agree with free speech George, as long as what is said is not hate speech such as the anti-homosexuality and anti-choice speeches.

Being gay or having an abortion is not against the law in Australia (except maybe Queensland of course), so the nasty placards or false ancient allegations and religious rants against these people should not be allowed.

It should then follow that so called 'Family Conferences' that promote these hateful rants, (and people like the charming Runner) should not be allowed to publicly promote them, and especially not to use politicians wearing their official hats to legitimise their rubbish views.
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 12:31:00 AM
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Suseonline,

>>I agree with free speech George, as long as what is said is not hate speech such as the anti-homosexuality and anti-choice speeches.<<

Could you please quote Babette’s (or other representative of WCR) anti-homosexuality hate speech, whatever that means. As for “anti-choice”, there are people who are for or against legalisation of abortion, marihuana, for or against capital punishments, gun control, etc. I have my own convictions on these, that might or might not agree with Babette’s or yours, but as I said above, that should not be the point.

>> Being gay or having an abortion is not against the law in Australia, so the nasty placards or false ancient allegations and religious rants against these people should not be allowed. <<

Does it mean that one should be allowed to express one’s disagreement only with things that are against the law? Could you quote where Babette supported “nasty placards or false ancient allegations and religious rants against” whomever?

>>not to use politicians wearing their official hats to legitimise their rubbish views.<<

Rubbish or not, apparently not only runner can become emotional when referring to views he disagrees with.
Posted by George, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 6:59:06 AM
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George, I never suggested Babette herself spoke about any of these issues because I wasn't at the conference, were you?
However, she was obviously involved in arranging such a conference and upon looking up what sorts of issues were to be 'discussed' at this gathering,
I was horrified. Any intelligent person would be too.

Mamamia.com explains just a few of their 'ideas'.
"1. Women who take the pill lose interest in sex and are more likely to be the victim of violent assault and murder.
2. Women who take the pill are more likely to engage in incest.
3. Social policies should not promote single-parenting which contributes to the decay of society’s moral values.
4. Abortion, divorce, single parents and LGBT people are responsible for promiscuity, sexually transmitted diseases, poverty, human trafficking, violence against women and child abuse.
5. The pill and other contraception can and has killed women all over the world. The pill also kills babies.
6. There’s a link between abortion and breast cancer.
7. The sole purpose of sex is for procreation and an expression of love between husband and wife in the covenant of marriage. All other sexual activity cannot satisfy the human spirit and leads to remorse, alienation and disease.
8. Vladimir Putin’s draconian homosexual vilification laws that send LGBT Russians to prison are a ‘great idea’ that the rest of the world should follow. Russia is the Christian saviour to the world and Putin is heroically preventing Russian LGBT people from corrupting children.
9. All forms of non-heterosexual sex is a sin and gay people should be converted to heterosexuality via Christian therapy."

Read more at http://www.mamamia.com.au/social/world-congress-of-families-2014/#7iwTHyXPc6mHRR1F.99
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 10:31:10 AM
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and Susie try listing some of the vomit that comes from Emily's listers. You don't mind ferals free to say all wives being prostitutes do you?
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 3:04:08 PM
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Runner, I have no idea what you are on about!
I have already said all I have to say ......
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 7:46:45 PM
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suse,
Yes, feminist Males, the other 49% of the Feminist milieu, they're the ones who carry out the violence by proxy for the Feminist women.
This whole spat is between the two branches of Feminism, the female supremacists of the Left and the goddess worshippers on the right. Traditionalism is "the other Feminism", like Feminism it infantilises women and seeks to rob them of their agency while subordinating the whole of society to meeting the needs of women.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 9:47:18 PM
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Suseonline,

Thanks for the link. It does not contain authentic quotes only accusations that I do not think Babette or any of the organisers of the WCF in Australia would subscribe to with such a wording.

The Wikipedia entry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Congress_of_Families has a description of the aims of WCF that many people will not identify with, but none of the absurd claims listed in your link, except perhaps that “it was added to the list of organizations designated by the Southern Poverty Law Center (a non-governemental civil rights organisation) as anti-LGBT hate groups" (whatever that means).

I am afraid people agreeing with runner’s position (on matters the WCF is apparently concerned with) will probably see as “hate groups” all sorts of other organisations. I do not think this terminology leads us anywhere, certainly not to a society where different world view positions - which all have their more as well as less tolerant wings - can coexist or even cooperate in finding the right way between the two extremes of thoughtless progressivism and rigid, equally thoughtless, conservatism.
Posted by George, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 10:57:40 PM
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lovely to stay ignorant of facts that don't suite your narrative. That's why pictures of young babies are not allowed to be displayed before being slaughtered. Then again that's hate speach while killing the baby is loving and caring. Well its at least legal (except for Ireland). So its not hate speach there.
Posted by runner, Wednesday, 17 September 2014 11:59:09 PM
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Well George, I am not quite sure where you are headed. My complaint about Babette Francis’ piece was firstly that she cast her opposition as “ferals” in order to demonise them, but when you boil down the actual complaint it was that potential hosters of the event got cold feet when they realised some people would turn up and protest. As it turned out the protest was mild with the worst action being one protester baring her breasts and a bit of chanting.

So really, I am saying that Babette is being hypocritical, particularly when she glowingly reports Danny Nalliah doing a bit of chanting of his own.

As I stated earlier far worse activities have gone on outside abortion clinics in the US and the WCF approves of those activities.

The right to free speech does not constitute a right to force people to listen to what you say or have to give you a platform to say it.
Posted by Agronomist, Thursday, 18 September 2014 1:49:20 PM
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'Runner, I have no idea what you are on about! 'No Susie 'progressives make it a habit of being blissfully ignorant of evil when it suites them but very quick to point out the evil of those who oppose them. Thats why they make such a fuss over a sign being held up but are extremely quite aabout the religion of peace multilating girls, forcing women to wear head gear and selling many off as slaves. That placard showing a picture of an unborn baby is so wicked.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 18 September 2014 2:21:38 PM
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Agronomist,

>>Well George, I am not quite sure where you are headed. <<

I was only reacting to your two sentences re abortion clinics and picketers in the US, questioning their relevance to how Babette was presenting her case.

I did not read her article as complaining merely about the few picketers that turned up at the end. You have to have some political clout to make an international conference or other gathering change its venue and invited speakers a number of times. I think this ability to harass (in fact prevent, by making the Event take place in an obscure place) free speech, not whether one agrees or not with what WFC is about, should make people worry.

>>Babette is being hypocritical, particularly when she glowingly reports Danny Nalliah doing a bit of chanting of his own<<

For me it sounded more like a sarcasm, perhaps understandable under the circumstances.

>>The right to free speech does not constitute a right to force people to listen to what you say or have to give you a platform to say it.?<<

I agree but do not see how did Babette “force” you to read her article, or anybody to attend her Event. Or how did she “force” venue providers to offer her a platform. Or did you mean Graham should not have provided her such a platform by accepting her article?
Posted by George, Thursday, 18 September 2014 11:14:37 PM
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