Is it that important to you to sit at the high table with the warmongers?
halduell,
I wonder if there are actually people who delight in war ? I imagine there are bad sadists, greedy idots, power mongers ect.who create conflict by giving others a hard time until those others reach boiling point. Then the baddies can call those who reached boiling point, baddies. All this is allowed to happen under the umbrella we refer to as Law & Civil Liberties. People can do as they please & when the recipients of those who do retalliate cop crap they bleat aggression.
Big wars are actually very similar to domestic violence. One does something wrong to another but the other has no right to retalliate. That's how trouble starts. We are not allowed to defend ourselves by those who turn to us to defend them when things go wonky.
For example if you were to catch a burglar & you belted him you are the one whom the Ploice will chase , not him, he'll get all the attention & help.
Wars between countries are no different because as it has been said here Bad things happen when good people do nothing. Why, you yourself suggest we should not get involved in preventing the evil from the middle east to spread. So if that's not what you want, what do you suggest we should do to protect ourselves ?

@ individual, Posted Saturday, 13 September 2014 5:35:58 AM
You ask what I would do to protect ourselves. That's fairly easy. Cease to be a spear carrier for the Empire of Chaos. Admittedly this will not be easy as we have voluntarily become an occupied nation, but the journey back to an honest position in our relations to and in the would has to start somewhere.
Consider that before being bombed back into pre-industrial rubble Libya, Iraq and Syria were all wealthy, stable nations. Not perfect, no, but then who is? But wealthy and stable with schools and hospitals and most of the infrastructure of modern life. Now? Nothing.
Cease being a part of what has brought that to be, and we will go a long way to protecting ourselves. This will mean, first and foremost, rethinking our uncritical support of Zionism.
ISIL is an example of insanity and terror let loose on the world. No question. But who created them? And why? Was it the US working with Saudi Arabia and Israel arming 'good' jihadists to fight 'bad' jihadists and in the process bringing down Bashar al-Assad? And whose brilliant idea was that?
Libya? The wealthiest and strongest African nation north of South Africa not so long ago. Now? Open slather for the Empire of Chaos's Africa Command.
Iraq? Not much working there these days other than the oil wells. Do you ever wonder why that is?
Syria? Could this exercise be a long term plan to build another gas pipeline to bring gas to Europe from the Gulf States that does not go through Russia?
And that brings us to the Ukraine. Are we really backing Nazis? Seems so. We feature in some news stories that speak of the US, some Nato/Eu member states and Australia. And we wonder why our terror alert has gone from amber to red.

We've gone to "red" alert because the Canetoad can't con us with his budget, it's got very little to do with any security considerations.
The only thing that's changed recently there is that the Canetoad and his pet woman mouthpiece have been making fools of themselves on the international stage with their Mutt n Jeff aggressive barking!
They themselves may well have made themselves more tempting targets but one is forced to suspect that, like the rest of the worlds leaders, the terrorists just don't, can't, take them seriously.
Let us hope so anyway, for all our sakes.

G'dayBruce,

Right you are.

This cartoon by Broelman sums it up perfectly.

http://broelman.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/what-to-do-in-a-budget-emergency/

Backing the Nazis Haduwell?
No certainly not!
Not now not ever!
Have absolutely no tolerance for sabre rattling/rocket launching/mendacious, land grabbing, doubly disingenuous dictators and their expansion plans, or when they foment unrest/annex the sovereign territory/physical resources/wealth of other nations!
Our best response?
Open up the flood gates of oil development, to drive the price of oil well below 87 dollars, to force the looting confiscating Nazi hordes, to run their hydrocarbon industries at a real and ruinous loss!
And in so doing, make their completely illegal, patently purloined prizes, not worth a plugged nickle, let alone countless innocent lives.
Let him rant and rave like the lunatic he so clearly looks like?
All that will achieve, is his major markets will look for and find other hydrocarbon/energy suppliers, and for far less than they're paying this land grabbing warmonger now.
Don't judge others on what they say, but particularly when their oral promises aren't worth the paper they written on, But rather, unmistakable actions and done deeds!
Actions which clearly include arming a stage managed rebellion, and massing against another's border, with an invasion sized expeditionary force!
A very wise man once said, you can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but never all the people all the time.
Dare one suggest, you fall into the some able to be fooled all of the time category; and then only by the weasel words and denials dictator, rather than his unmistakable actions!
Action the speak so much louder and vastly more eloquently, than all the patent propaganda in the world, or even the risible rubbish that fools only manifestly moribund morons, Haduwell! Da?
Or should that be, duh?
Rhrosty.

Spot on Poirot.
Seen that one, loved it,the guys a dead-set genius!