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Are men fools and clowns? Why media images of men matter : Comments

By Peter West, published 8/9/2014

The publicity officer of the NSW Teachers Federation said that she wanted to live in a world without men. This may please many women, but it doesn't offer much to men.

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Sorry Suseonline, the question was implied not asked. I was seeking your comments.

I did not comment on the elder abuse, however regrettably it is common.
Posted by onthebeach, Thursday, 11 September 2014 1:44:20 AM
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All the men I know were raised at their mothers knee; and indeed, had their basic characters molded there!
And this applies to some of the most violent men in the world. In the Middle East and elsewhere.
There are now more women than men in Australia!
They are the majority as voters, bank account/share holders and property owners.
As the longest lived group they control more wealth than men.
And businesses where they are at least equally represented, seem to do better than where they are not!
In fact many see us and the US as matriarchies, where some women bleat about an inferior position.
And if true? Who's fault is it?
The inferior male, or those who have molded his character from the very cradle!?
And if women are underrepresented in parliament, who fault is that? The numerically inferior male voter, or the numerically superior female voter.
And why is it that when surveyed, most women claimed they preferred working under a male boss.
So whose fault is that. The men?
I've had it up to here with men being blamed for all the ills in the world, when its mothers who mostly mold the children.
As one well known Philosopher might have said, give me the boy from 1-7, and I'll give you the man!
There you have it. All the naturally aggressive men in the world took their earliest queues, mostly from the "butch" mothers of this world?
If Killarney wants to have a good long look at the principle reason some women get a less than fair deal from men, (controlled by the women in their life, from the cradle to the grave) I contend she needs only visit the nearest mirror?
Or failing that, take a three month course of testosterone, if only to finally understand some things from a completely normal man's viewpoint!
Just let us know first, so all we mere men can run for the hills/climb up on the roof and pull the ladder up after!
Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 11 September 2014 10:04:27 AM
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Rhosty, no one is saying all the ills of the world are caused by men.
However, you have to face the fact that almost all violence is caused by men against other men and women.

Certainly they have been raised by their mothers, but it is a well known fact that if they are violent ( and not all men, or women, are violent) then they came from a home where a male was violent, and probably neglect from both parents.

A quick read through the paper each day brings us awful news of deaths by violence in our communities, especially this week. How many deaths are caused by women?

Now, no one is saying it is all the men's 'fault', because of course there are many reasons for this disparity in deaths from violence, but we need to face it together and work harder towards solutions.
To me, it appears that mental health problems are being left behind in a health system being constantly trimmed of resources.
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 11 September 2014 10:20:03 AM
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Suzeonline:
”How many deaths are caused by women?”

So because more women are killed by men being violent then it follows that men are the more violent gender? Is the measure based on the number of deaths or number of violent acts? It is possible that women cause more violent acts but men more violent deaths. That would make women the more violent gender would it not?

“you have to face the fact that almost all violence is caused by men against other men and women.”
This could only be deduced from the number of reported acts which are not necessarily a true indicator of the number of acts in total which might show a very different picture. Children are highly unlikely to report acts of violence perpetrated by either parent. If you include the number of violent acts by women against children you could quite possibly find that the greatest number of acts of violence are caused by women.

If you are going to draw the conclusions that you do then you have to – as you say – face the facts. You have to have accurate facts to face first of all. Selectively leaving out distinct possibilities that are not recorded is very spurious indeed when you are making such generalisations.
Posted by phanto, Thursday, 11 September 2014 1:05:06 PM
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Suse, Agree, children learn what they live, and ape example.
So, we see domestic violence the highest where it already the most common/seeming "normal" behavior.
Fortunately, intelligence is intervening, as are some mature men and role model women.
A sister reminds me of an obnoxious Killarney?
Extremely dictatorial, and able to go on and on til even a saint reacts negatively, and all too often over the most mundane issues?
Although I once waited with a loaded rifle, for the knuckle dragging Neanderthal who beat her up. I wasn't all that surprised when even her own son reacted by slapping her face.
She was quick enough with her own hands, when someone tried to defy her iron will!
Even a worm will turn if prodded enough times!
Dripping water will wear down the hardest rock, and a horse can be made to deal cards, if you stick a cattle prod up its exhaust pipe enough times!
It nearly always takes two to tango! Typically, battered women leave it far too late to leave!
I usually find a pro Isil/Hamas Killarney, unreasonable in the extreme.
A "typical domineering bitching bully," who invariably disagrees with everybody, even those agreeing with her; and whose comments are often like fighting a fire by dowsing it with petrol?
Cheers, Rhrosty.
Posted by Rhrosty, Thursday, 11 September 2014 3:04:50 PM
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Phanto, isn't the ultimate violent act known as murder?
Ask any police or law enforcement personnel how many women murder other people?
Not many...

I stand by my ascertain that far more men murder people than women do.
That's just a fact.

Rhosty, "It nearly always takes two to tango! Typically, battered women leave it far too late to leave!"
I said the same thing when several men on this very forum asserted there were 'many' men out there in the community suffering physical violence at the hands of their female partners.
I was shouted down as not understanding of their situations.
What is the difference then?
Posted by Suseonline, Thursday, 11 September 2014 9:48:31 PM
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