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Opinion and fact: ministerial expertise, cancers, cars and climate : Comments

By Rob Cover, published 15/8/2014

Off-hand, ideologically-driven or politically-motivated opinions disguised as facts are nothing new in political discourse.

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North Sydneyites is as factually stunted as a numbat on plonk.

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Friday, 15 August 2014 4:39:39 PM

Priceless, a numbat for a treasurer.
Posted by Wolly B, Friday, 15 August 2014 5:33:46 PM
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This article can only be understood, if it is considered to be an application to the Labor party for the position of head spin doctor.

I doubt I have ever read so much spinning garbage in my life. Just reading this rubbish does show why Labor always get it so wrong, when in power.

If this bloke really believes this stuff, he is utterly deluded, but then he is a lefty, so what else could you expect.
Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 16 August 2014 12:06:05 AM
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'morning Hasbeen,

It’s all about “facts” I think?

Rob rails against << opinions disguised as facts>>

Stevenroger stresses how important it is to understand << how they select their facts and how valid these facts are >>.

Macedonian advocacy tells us that <<Rigorous and relevant research must be given far greater importance>>

Rhrosty tells us the importance of << fact checkers and A+ articles just like this one Rob!>>

plantagenet tells us Joe Hockey is << factually stunted as a numbat on plonk >>

As best I can determine, the SMH reporter James Massola writes an article misquoting Joe Hockey, which then grants him license to emotionally “feel” the argument and feed the rage. Like the rest of the public comments reported “Gotya” style this last week, context and relevance are removed to make room for emotive argument.

Rob, our Associate Professor of Social and Cultural Studies, rails against << opinions disguised as facts>> then he fails to check the validity of the original SMH quote and offers us opinions disguised as facts?

Stevenroger questions the ability of “others” to validate their facts but then fails to validate his own?

Macedonian advocacy is big on “rigorous and relevant research” but demonstrates he too failed to do his research and throws rigor out of the window?

Rhrosty admires “fact checkers” like Rob but misses Robs factual error?

plantagenet accuses Joe Hockey of being a << factually stunted as a numbat on plonk >> whilst missing the error himself and confirming that he too is factually stunted as a numbat on plonk?

It is entirely understandable that OLO’s progressives will respond to emotional rhetoric and go into a feeing frenzy however, for the product of one of our Premier Universities to offer “opinion disguised as fact”, failing to check his facts and then build an ideologically woven narrative around it is a tragic waste of our higher education system.
Posted by spindoc, Saturday, 16 August 2014 9:34:07 AM
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spindoc

I strongly resent YOUR imputation that Tubby-go-Hockey is a poonanni gobbler.

He is more than just a buffoon-esque North Shore lad who can't dance http://youtu.be/sj8j9Q8YYik

Yours fitfully

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 16 August 2014 10:02:38 AM
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‘morning planter,

Not sure what you just said planter, but it sounded like a well constructed item of critical thinking, balance and an acknowledgment that you got it wrong? I could be mistaken.

My children were always discouraged from swearing and thankfully our grandchildren likewise.

They did however find a ways to express themselves without swearing. One in particular used to express herself by shouting “potty potty poo poo” in moments of frustration.

She was four years old at the time and has grown up just beautifully.

Other than by the maturity of your comments we can’t know your age of course, but you may still have time!

P.S How are you going with your rebuttal to the Joe Hockey misquote
Posted by spindoc, Saturday, 16 August 2014 10:56:48 AM
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Sorry spindoc

The "gobbler" reference, I admit, was a little low. Aside from that Hockey is under a great deal of self-inflicted pressure and it shows.

He's accustomed to being a good time guy that that the public laughs with rather than at. His days as Treasurer are probably numbered unless his Numbers-man ability - in the Party Room rather than national economics - can save him.

Regards

Pete
Posted by plantagenet, Saturday, 16 August 2014 11:17:33 AM
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